I'm fascinated by these Domino's Pizza commercials. You have seen them, I assume. The basic plot line is that the guy who is running Domino's has come to accept that the pizza sucks. And he promises to do something about it.
And so, the commercials somewhat sheepishly show a photo someone sent in of the pizza he received with cheese stuck to the box ("Unacceptable!"). They offer up past customer reviews that makes their pizza sound like manilla folders with Ragu on top. They talk about how basically the company had ripped off the American public for many years by giving them gawdawful substandard pizza. But now things are going to change.
I'm fascinated by this advertising turn. I always thought Domino's marketing strategy was: "We all know our pizza is not great, but hey it's cheap, and we'll get it to you fast, and let's face it, there's at least a 50-50 shot you're a college student who would be eating Ramen Noodles anyway so what do you care?"
But now, well, they talk about how they were betraying customers with bad pizza, and they won't do that anymore, they are going to make a better pizza with fresher ingredients (somehow for the same low price). I was intrigued enough that we ordered Domino's pizza a few weeks ago. Now, to me, it t was -- as we used to say in North Carolina -- pretty much exactly the same.* But, I've heard from numerous others who had a much better experience, and they say the new Domino's pizza is much better than it was before. As my youngest daughter once said when I was trying to convince her that her food was, in fact, not too spicy: "We all have our own appetites."
*We like qualifying our qualifiers in North Carolina -- it's very different to say "I might do that," vs. "I could do that" vs. "I might could do that."
But again, it's the ad strategy not the pizza itself that interests me. I think most people like the ad. I obviously liked it enough to order the pizza again. I think most people like the fact that Domino's was so refreshingly honest about the suckitude of its pizza ... and whether it's "refreshingly" honest or "opportunistically" honest is not our discussion point. It's jarring when a company comes at you that hard, tells you they've been terrible, apologizes, says that you deserve better. I thought the BP commercials, the ones showing the various cleanup efforts, were pretty effective in that way too. This is probably the strategy that baseball steroid users should have followed.
All in all, this is the new era advertising flow chart.
1. We suck.
2. We know that we suck.
3. We promise to get better.
4. You deserve it.
Now it's just my opinion, and I'm certainly no expert, but I don't think the Domino's thing will work, not long term, not unless they have a second phase planned out. This brief "We're not good but we're trying harder" phase apparently has worked short term -- sales and stock prices jumped. And I think the initial shock of the campaign was strong. But sooner or later -- and I think we're kind of at that point now -- people are going to want to stop hearing about how bad the pizza is and how bad the service is and that you're going to try to do better. Sooner or later, you have to go that next step.
Of course, this all has made me think about the Royals because that's how my stupid mind works. This is a team that has been three years away from success for, um, about 15 years now. The message has always been more or less the same for those 15 years: Help is on the way! Things are going to get better! Look at those minor league stars! Look at these exciting mid-level free agents! Just hang tight! We're almost there now! Give us three more years, and then you'll see something really special.
Three years away. Three years away. Three years away. It's like the Vegas Walk -- no matter how much you walk, the buildings never get any closer. The story never changes ... at least it never changes for the fans. The Royals have had six different managers the last 15 years so for THEM the message always seems new. The Royals have had three GMS the last 15 years and for THEM the message always seems new. Last year, Royals manager Trey Hillman made an ill-conceived comment about how people didn't understand what they were trying to do. I know why he said it ... because this was the first time he had gone through this Royals rebuilding "give us three years" strategy.
But this was about the 10th time the fans had been through it so they understood perfectly, better than he did. They had seen it for more than a decade. They had heard all about "getting them to play the game the right way" and "building team chemistry" and and "teaching 'em how to win" and all that stuff. They had heard it and heard it and heard it and after a while, no matter how true it may be, the words just stop meaning anything.
The Royals, from what I can tell, really have built themselves a fabulous minor league system. The great Jim Callis over at Baseball America says that they're favored to be ranked as the No. 1 farm system in baseball in next year's BA Prospects book. The money and energy they have spent building that system seems like it is really close to paying off. It actually looks like the real deal. It really does look like the Royals could be a fun team in a year, two years and, yes, three years.
But how can you convince fans that THIS TIME it's real? People have heard it all before. After all, the Royals were BA's organization of the year in 1994 ... and it has been pain ever since. The Royals have had prospects -- some like Carlos Beltran, Johnny Damon, Mike Sweeney and Zack Greinke have even become stars. The Royals have had good ideas. They Royals have had sensible plans. But nothing has worked. We're at the point now where even Zack Greinke -- who was a key figure in one of those Royals "three years away" plans -- doesn't want to go through another rebuilding process.
And so there seems nothing the Royals can really say now, nothing that will break through the walls of defeatism and the layers of doubt that they have built up for all these years. When they say, "We just ask the fans for patience" and "We know we're on the right track," and "It will take time, but we're going to win here" ... what the fans actually hear is "Blah blah blah, fresh new kicks, and pants blah blah blah You gotta like that now you know you wanna dance blah blah blah."
But what if the Royals went the Domino's route? What if they went for the bluntest of blunt honesty. Supposedly the Minnesota Timberwolves are trying this now ... but they don't have the extensive bad history the Royals do. What if the Royals featured a commercial with Dayton Moore going, "OK, look, let's not kid anybody. It's been bad around here. Really bad. Embarrassing, really. We know that. Neifi Perez, anyone? Juan Gonzalez? Mike Jacobs? Yeah, we've made a few mistakes around here. You deserve better than that, Kansas City baseball fans.
"But we've heard you. What we're going to do now is play our guys. No more trying to fool you with Rick Ankiels. No more trying to convince you that every good young player we ever get is the next George Brett. No more Kyle Farnsworths. No more dumping our best players for 50 cents on the dollar when their contract comes up. That's over.
"No, from now on we're not going to change the plan every time we hit a speed bump. No, we're not going to treat our promising young players like we don't like them, not anymore. No, we're not going to rush our favorite prospects to the big leagues before they're ready. No we're not going to bring in these middling thirty-something free agents who were pretty good four years ago. We're going to build this thing by scouting better, developing better, spending money to acquire talent and by staying strong. We're going to do that because you deserve it."
Hey, I think people might embrace that kind of honestly ... that is if the Royals actually DO get better. That's the second part of the plan. Because in the end, brutal honesty might get people to try your pizza again. But if it still tastes like manilla folders with Ragu on top, they won't get fooled again.
Circle me, Gene Parmesan.
ReplyDeleteAny time you can throw in the word suckitude into a post, it's a good one.
ReplyDeleteLike any organisation that has suffered for a considerable amount of time, the Royals need to start from the top down. They simply need to get rid of everyone who has been part of the problem for the last 15 years and start over.
They couldn't avoid the noid forever.
ReplyDeleteOn the positive side of things at least they're not the Pirates.
ReplyDelete"Avis: we're #2, and that hertz."
ReplyDeleteAs for the Royals, I'm not sure that the team management can distinguish the pizza from the box.
as usual, the column is dead on, perfect...as usual comment number one is as required, retarded...wish you had a rating feature...the rest, as usual for a joepost, range from good to very good...it would be nice if we could believe that someone, anyone involved in royals management ever read your posts...but, some of them, especially above yostlevel, well, i am not even convinced they CAN read.
ReplyDeleteI don't get the Dominoes commercial...melted cheese stuck to the box when the lid got pulled up? It happens.
ReplyDeleteGoing through the same thing with the Lions. We are told they have improved, and maybe they have. But they are still 0-3, they have numerous injuries, and now the coach seems to be losing it. When Matt Millen was fired, fans here hoped the Lions would go the Dominoes route. Admit that they had made a lot of mistakes and promise a fresh start. Then they hired Millen's assistant to be GM instead of bringing in someone who knew what he was doing (like Scott Pioli). So things might be better, but it sure seems like the same old crappy pizza.
ReplyDeleteI like where the Royals are going. It all has to work out, of course, but that is where luck comes in. But I love their prospects and I think they made some progress this year.
ReplyDeleteBut then again, I always liked Domino's pizza, so what the heck do I know?
Circle me the Washington Nationals
ReplyDeleteOr you could be a Lions fan... wah wah wah...
ReplyDeleteA few days ago, my wife noticed this ad and said, "all they need is the little 3-pronged table to keep the roof of the box from hittng the pizza."
ReplyDeleteShould Domino's know this?
Is it better or worse that the New York Mets always seem to be trying to send the message of "We're going to be really good THIS year!" rather than "We're going to be really good in three years!"
ReplyDeleteThis is the Hancock Strategy - "I can be better. You deserve better." Maybe the Royals should hire Jason Bateman as their GM, or at least their head of marketing.
ReplyDeleteI know that this was not so much about the pizza as the ad and not so much about the ad as about tying that to the Royals, but I have this thought about certain "bad" fast food and Domino's was always one of my prime examples.
ReplyDeleteDomino's was not in the business of selling pizza. They were in the business of selling a pizza-like substance. If I wanted pizza, I would not go to Domino's. On the other hand, if I was in the mood for Domino's, I probably wasn't much interested in pizza.
I feel this way about McDonald's (moreso of McDonald's in the heatlamp/pre-microwave era). I love cheeseburgers more than just about any food. I also love(d) McDonald's. But when I want a REAL cheeseburger, I don't go to McDonald's and when I want McDonald's, I don't want a REAL cheeseburger (and I do order "cheeseburgers" in some form when I go to McDonald's). Burger King, on the other hand, sells a REAL cheeseburger, just a crappy one.
Bringing this back to Domino's new recipe, they are now in the business of selling pizza. They have ascended (or descended if you think like me) into making actual pizza. The problem is that it is crappy pizza. It used to be that I'd rather eat Domino's pizza-like alternative than eat crappy pizza. Now Domino's is crappy pizza and I'd rather not eat pizza at all.
Fortunately, I live in a place where there is actual good pizza. If I lived in Dallas or New Hampshire, I would probably just do myself in.
Urine - Thanks for making us Number One!
ReplyDeleteWhine, whine, whine. The Royals are the NY Yankees (or maybe the Cal Bears rugby team - oops, not any more) compared to the Golden State Warriors. Not only have the Warriors been incredibly bad for decades, but they represent a mythical place.
ReplyDeleteDitto these comments about Cleveland and Pittsburg
ReplyDeleteI think the biggest flaw in your idea is that the Royals would then have to follow through on that promise, and I don't see any evidence that they are operating on that wavelength. It took a season-ending injury for them to finally give Pena a serious look, but despite his good performance I bet we still see Kendall setting up behind home plate for most of the games next season.
ReplyDeleteIt's almost like GMDM likes to use The Process as his fallback position, but is afraid to fully invest in it at the major league level.
The BP commercials are a little different since there's always kind of an elephant in the room..."why are you spending your money on advertising after causing a national crisis?"
ReplyDeleteI actually do like the new Dominoes campaign, it's really kind of stupidly self-congratulatory, but honestly I did think the pizza was better. I don't really order from them because Papa Murphy's is so much better in my opinion, but Dominoes is my #2 pizza. On a similar note I really like the Hardee's (or Carl's Jr.) ads. They don't really try to dress up their burgers at all. They had some chicken biscuit with gravy and what they showed looked like some of the most fattening food imaginable. In this era of health-consciousness that's really kind of gutsy. I remember previous commercials where they showed condiments falling off the burger. Kind of interesting that they don't really appear interested in making their food look good. Maybe they figured consumers were too jaded from years of McDonalds ads showing these big, delicious-looking burgers that do not really resemble anything you can actually pick up at their restaurants.
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ReplyDeleteI think Bryce from Minnesota probably dropped his pizza and then just snapped a photo of it and sent it in to Domino's with a fake-indignant note attached.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure their pizza is better, but it is more addictive...if that makes sense. They must paint the things with butter sauce or something. So the pizza tastes normal, but then you have tastey butter left all over your fingers.
ReplyDeleteI realize this post isn't called "Diary of a Winning Team" but the media reaction to the Rays winning is bothering me. The popular story these days is how they cannot generate ample fans. So as a result, people are admonishing an area because they aren't going to games. To me there are two issues. A) Maybe they shouldn't have a team....so don't blame the area blame the people who put a team there (and who are trying to build a stadium. B)Don't yell at the actual fans that they have by telling them they should want to go to a game. Who is anybody to tell somebody to spend $50 at a game instead of watching it on tv.
May I request a review or even just some disjointed bullet points on Ken Burns's Tenth Inning? You must be watching it.
ReplyDeleteI think the Domino's campaign is pretty brilliant and pretty ballsy because, as you suggest, once you've fired that bullet and you don't deliver any real improvement, then what? Then you're down to advertising on Adult Swim as dirt-cheap food for stoned kids.
The biggest difference between Domino's and the Royals, IMO, is that you could believe that Domino's might not know that their pizza is bad. It's unlikely but possible that for all these years, Domino's thought that it was making really good mass-produced cheap-ingredient pizzas. No one associated with the Royals could possibly believe that their product was any good--in a way, they've been using Domino's current strategy for fifteen years: "our product sucks now, but we're fixing it!"
ReplyDeleteImagine how well Domino's strategy would work if it were fifteen years later.
The other way to read the Domino's campaign is that suckitude was a conscious choice. The hidden message might be that for years, Domino's made crappy pizzas, knew they were crappy, but did it on purpose because they thought they'd make more money that way; now they think they can make more money producing good pizzas. But that doesn't hold up as an analogy, either. I can't believe that Royals' management hasn't been trying to win--they've just been trying to win on the cheap.
Which brings us to the only way the analogy makes sense: if Domino's message were that it had been trying to make good pizzas all along, knew it wasn't succeeding, and has finally decided to try better (more expensive) ingredients to see if that would do any good. Of course, the Royals have tried that already.
Two thoughts:
ReplyDeleteOne, by chance had the new Domino's the other day, and I think they're right -- it really IS better than it used to be. Unfortunaetly...it still sucks. It just sucks less.
Two, I never thought I'd hear someone state that the T-wolves had more success than another franchise. Yes, we had KG and the one run to the Western finals, but man, it's pretty much been 20 years of garbage, for the most part. Really, we've had ONE thing go right for us -- Garnett -- and Kevin McHale and Glen Taylor totally squandered it.
Dear rutbag,
ReplyDeleteI live in Dallas and have constantly thought about doing myself in over the quality og the pizza here. It's God awful. All of this thin cracker style crust that can't hold any real toppings weight. Horrible, horrible pizza town. And don't even get me started on the seafood, which is even worse.
Luckily, we have Tex-Mex and margaritas. And surprisingly, really good Thai food. So I'll keep on living.
To tie it in to the Royals, the Rangers actually put in place a youth movement plan, stuck to it, got people to buy in, and now are in the playoffs. I have tickets for the first Rangers playoff game in over a decade. But part of people buying in has been Nolan Ryan's active role and his public plan, which has boiled down to "No whining" and a near guarrantee in spring training this team would make the playoffs.
People in Dallas like winning. We also like tough guys. This team delivers both. It's been a great marketing ploy, especially setting out big goals. And then actually achieving them.
When I was a kid, the only pizza we ever ate was delivery. I grew up in Michigan so we had plenty of Dominos and Little Ceasars. I went to college, and lived off of Dominos for years.
ReplyDeleteThen, I did an internship in Philadelphia for a semester. One day my boss took us to lunch at an honest-to-goodness Italian pizzeria. WOW. I didn't know the difference that quality ingedients and freshness made in a pizza. Now, I order pizza from a real pizzeria and either eat it there or go pick it up. The only problem is I have spoiled my kids. They don't like delivery pizza, and have become a bit snobbish about their pizza. Any ideas for good honest (but somewhat cheaper) pizza in the Independence/Blue Springs Missouri area?
On a Royals note...the difference between the Royals and Dominos is that the Royals are totally self-aware, whereas the Dominos ads seem to say that they just got hip to the idea that they suck.
ReplyDeleteDavid Glass has known that the Royals suck and has chosen to do nothing but sit back and cash his revenue-sharing checks. Just like Wal-Mart knows that the products they sell are cheap and that their customers shop there because they have no alternatives.
Chance, I live outside Philly and always thought that was the norm. a pizza place literally every block. When we went to St. Louis that was the culture shock, you actually had to drive for pizza..that and they seem to genuinely like Busch.
ReplyDeleteThe problem with the Dominos vs Royals comparison is that in the pizza world, there isn't a "Yankees", or a "Red Sox" or a "Phillies" out there with a fundamental advantage over them. Baseball-World Analogy...Pizza Hut has the ability to buy all of the fresh mozzarella cheese, while Dominos is stuck with 2 year old cheese, or waiting for that new recipe for making their own version of the fresh mozzarella to take shape. Or maybe Papa John's has the market on all toppings...they bought the best Peppers, best Mushrooms, and they have a deal with the #1 sausage company in the world. All the while, Dominos has to buy year-old peppers, mushrooms that are not all that good, and sausage from a smaller, less expensive company.
ReplyDeleteGood article, as usual. But a bad analogy IMHO.
"We suck. You deserve better from us. We're going to get better." Gee. Sounds like every election campaign slogan and the promise of every politician.
ReplyDeleteThe one thing you can count on is that the public will always be fooled again. Bet on it. And after you bet, don't forget to go out and make your vote count. Hahahhaahhahahahha.
If you don't want the pizza to stick to the box lid, you let it sit around and get cold before delivery.
ReplyDeleteProblem solving skills like that will get you fast-tracked to Regional Manager. Put THAT in a TV commercial.
Hey, where'd all the BR proofreaders go? It's "manila", with ONE "L".
ReplyDeleteAnd, honestly, it's an insult to *manila* envelopes to say they taste like Domino's "pizza"*. Or, to put it another way, Domino's "pizza" is to real pizza as the "butter-flavored topping" used on popcorn at your local multiplex is to real butter.
*Scare quotes are appropriate here, since that Domino's stuff is pretty damn scary.
Then again, I live in Manhattan (New York, not Kansas), so I can get real pizza roughly as easily as I can get Starbuck's coffee. I understand how hard that can be in other places (my family is from Fargo, ND -- try getting real pizza -- or a bagel or Chinese food -- in Fargo some time), so I guess if your only alternative is cardboard with tomato paste, you might actually buy Domino's*.
*Speaking of which, there are actually Domino's locations in Manhattan. I cannot for the life of me figure out who buys pizza there, unless there are a whole lot more tourists here than I think there are.
As for the ad campaign, I recall Mad Magazine doing a piece about 50 years ago on the stupidity of the "new and improved" advertising meme, pointing out that the advertiser was basically admitting that they used to be trying to sell garbage. I see nothing different here.
So, no, there is actually NOTHING Domino's could say or do that would make me buy (or even eat for free) their "pizza".
The suckitude of the Royals seems to be on equal par with that if the Pirates. That is to say, it is a suckitude with attitude.
ReplyDeleteIt is a relentless suckitude, the kind of suckitude that sticks to you like the stink of yesterday's sweat.
I take this suckitude personally as the Royals are a team for which I've held a lifetime fondness.
"They seem to genuinely like Busch" that was awesome, Somebody.
ReplyDeletep.s., another great Philly thing: genuine cheesesteaks. Never had one till I arrived in Philly, and now, everytime I try one somewhere else, it makes me sad.
Also: neighborhood bars, and people actually living downtown. That happens in almost every other city but K.C.
How about having visible signs of improvement on the field instead of marketing a plan to make improvements?
ReplyDeleteIn the meantime, market individual players, or the experience of a day at the ballpark, or the completion that comes to town.
Domino's was originally selling speed of delivery -- 30 minutes or less, or 3 bucks off. That guarantee is gone now, so I don't think of the new campaign as an admission of a sinister past (say, the Pittsburgh Pirates). It's just that they're not quick and dirty anymore.
ReplyDeleteDoing ads, sometimes all you have is the truth. And good or bad, at least you'll stand out.
I would love it if the Royals would come out and say that. It irritates me to no end that Dayton Moore insists that Betancourt, Farnsworth, Jacobs, Crisp, etc, etc were good moves and has the TV broadcast relentlessly smack us with the same.
ReplyDeleteI clearly remember the Domino's 30 minute guarantee sending shock waves through our neighborhood as a kid. You would place your order and then watch the clock as the tension mounted. The fact that they actually did sometimes blow the deadline only added to the drama. If they missed the deadline you would absolutely tell your friends about it at school the next day. If that sounds pretty ridiculous, well, it was. Welcome to growing up in the 80s.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I don't know about where you grew up but in our neighborhood it was not uncommon at all at that time to order from the local pizzerias and wait an hour or more for your delivery. The Domino's business model was seriously brilliant, until the whole pizza business got its act together on delivery and Domino's had to compete mostly on pricing.
Chance- Tim's pizza is on 40 highway about a half mile west of 291. Funhouse pizza is also on 40, about a mile west of Noland. Both are good, old time pizza places.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the Royals go, this is the show me state after all. I see the talent. I am excited. But Dayton still has to pull the trigger and bring them up. (and hope for few injuries). He also has to make sane moves at the major league level to supplement them.
Is it possible to be excited and hopeful, yet cynical and prepared for disappointment?
Wait a second, didn't the Domino's owner also own the Tigers at one point? And then sell them to the Little Ceasar's owner? Message: if you suck, you can introduce risky new advertising and try to improve... or just change the brand of pizza entirely.
ReplyDeleteMakes me think of this classic onion bit: http://www.theonion.com/video/dominos-scientists-test-limits-of-what-humans-will,14252/
ReplyDeleteM, Domino's owner Tom Monahan did indeed buy the Tigers -- right before they won the title in 1984! Unfortunately he was a lousy owner, who ousted Ernie Harwell and skimped outrageously on the farm system so he could pour more money into his pet projects. He also antagonized Lou Whitaker and a couple other Jehovah's Witnesses on the club by making them wear green St. Patrick's day uniforms in spring training games.
ReplyDeleteThe Reds...that should make you feel better. As a huge Reds fan I went through this. You have to build from within. The team is awesome now and fun to watch. Have faith.
ReplyDeleteJoe,
ReplyDeleteFor those of us who don't live in NC, would you please explain the regional usage differences among the phrases
1) I could do that
2) I might do that, and
3) I might could do that
Thanks,
Purvis
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Honolulu
Re:The Royals. Nothing will change until new ownership is in place. To think otherwise is to kid yourself.
ReplyDeleteChance, try Fun House on 40 Hiway for a thick crust pizza or Pizza Shoppe on 7 Hiway for thin crust pizza.
Quit crying about the Royals. At least you have some hope, not like us Mutts fans.
ReplyDeleteJeff
I haven't noticed anything better about Dominos either. I didn't really think it was that bad before, though. I wouldn't go out of my way to eat it, but when I did, I didn't hate it. The philly cheese steak pizza they have is actually pretty good.
ReplyDeleteBut yeah, I tried it after hearing how much better it was supposed to be, and I didn't think much had changed.
The worst thing about waiting for the Royals is it's always impatient, short-sighted fans that are always complaining, and impatient, short-sighted writers with a prominent voice that use their lack of true understanding to make it worse. They yelp and cry when the latest stats aren't used by a team's front office, then look for every justification about why their favorite teams' stats teams really were better, and the teams that actually made the playoffs were just lucky. People like JoePo get *really* frustrated when MLB teams don't take every bandwagon they jump on seriously, and they whine incessantly, and fans follow along, feeling smarter than everyone else in the process.
ReplyDeleteYet, teams like the Braves keep on winning, and Dayton Moore and the Royals have done *exactly* what they were supposed to do, which is completely stock the minor league system with legitimate talent for years to come. It's writers like JoePo that were carrying the water for GMs like Allard Baird to begin with. They're sad to distance themselves, but quick to pile on every failure they initially championed..