Monday, October 25, 2010

Too Much Info About Game 1 Starters

Here's a beautiful thing about baseball: It's probably happened. Whatever you're thinking. It's probably happened. Nine hits in a game? Yep, that happened: Johnny Burnett of the Cleveland Indians smacked nine hits against Philadelphia in an 18-inning game (same game that Jimmie Foxx had six hits, three of them homers, and eight RBIs).*

*Philadelphia's Eddie Rommel had one of the greatest pitching lines in baseball history that day: 17 innings, 29 hits, 14 runs (only 13 earned), 9 walks, 7 strikeouts, 2 wild pitches. And Rommel -- who was 34 at the time and was in the last year of a good career -- was used mostly in one-inning appearances that year.

Reporter: Skip, when did you know it wasn't Eddie's night?

Connie Mack: I thought after the 26th hit he gave up, he started elevating his pitches. But his stuff was still good.

Six wild pitches? Yep, that's actually happened three times -- twice in the same year. J.R. Richard was the first to do it, April of 1979, against the Dodgers. He allowed just one run in nine innings despite six hits, four walks and those six wild pitches. Phil NIekro did it later that year on a day when his knuckler was REALLY knuckling. Bill Gullickson matched them in 1982.

And so on. Baseball is just one of those games ... it's been around for a LONG time, and each season has LOTS of games, and so whenever you see just about anything interesting happen you might think, "I'll bet that's never happened before." But ... it probably has.

For instance: Texas' Cliff Lee on Wednesday will start World Series Game 1 for the second year in a row. You will remember he started Game 1 for Philadelphia last year against the Yankees. Not only is starting Game 1 for the second straight year, but he will be doing it for two different teams. And not only THAT but he will be doing it for two different teams in two different leagues. Crazy right?

Yes. Crazy. But not unprecedented. All three of those things have happened before. Searching for this led me to do WAY too much research in the history of World Series Game 1 starters. I have no illusion that you care at all about this. But, damn it, I looked it up. So here you go.

The last starter to start back-to-back World Series Game 1s was Jack Morris in 1991 and 1992. I originally missed Morris -- many Jack Morris Hall of Fame fans think I miss him all the time -- and thought that the last starter to go back-to-back was Dave Stewart, who actually started three in a row from 1988-90. But no, it was Morris ... more on Stewart in a minute.

Morris, as I'm sure you remember, is also the last one to start back-to-back Game 1s for different teams. In 1991, he started Game 1 for the Minnesota Twins, and he pitched seven solid innings, allowing only two runs, and the Twins beat the Braves. In 1992, he started Game 2 for the Toronto Blue Jays, and he pitched what I have started to call the "solidy start" -- solidy rhyming with quality -- six innings and three runs. This is the absolute minimum a pitcher can do to qualify for what is generally called a quality start. It's possible that "solidy" can be used in other forms of "absolute minimum qualifier" -- a one-inning, three-run save might be called a "solidy save" for instance, or getting exactly 10 points, 10 rebounds and 10 assists might be called a solidy triple-double.* A comedy that gives you JUST enough laughs to make it worthwhile might be called solidy. I'm still working on it.

*In case you were wondering -- and I know you were -- the solidy triple double (10-10-10) has been done in the NBA three times since 1986. Jason Kid was the last guy to do it in 2006 -- he did it against Milwaukee. Andre Iguodala and Penny Hardaway were the other two to pull a solidy.

Anyway, Morris had a solidy start and was out-pitched by Tom Glavine.

Morris was the last to go back-to-back, and the last to do it for two different teams. But what about the last guy to do it for two different team in opposite leagues?

Yep, it has happened: Don Gullett in 1976 and 1977. In 1976, he pitched against the Yankees for the ultra-dominant Big Red Machine. In 1977, he pitched FOR the Yankees against the Dodgers. That was at the beginning of free agency, when many people throughout baseball were certain that the game was doomed -- and Gullett was used as a major example. But Gullett got hurt, his career prematurely ended. And baseball, for a variety of fascinating reasons, entered a period of remarkable parity. From 1978-1990 -- 13 seasons -- we had 12 different World Series champs (only the Dodgers won more than once).

So, yes, the two straight years for two teams in two leagues things has happened before.

Some Game 1 numbers: There have been 156 different pitchers to start a World Series Game 1. This Game 1 start, of course, meant a little more back before 1969, before the playoffs, back when teams, more or less, could ALWAYS pitch their No. 1 starter in Game 1. It's not like that now. I was thinking that if the Yankees had managed to extend the Rangers series one more game, then Texas would not have started Lee on three days rest. And we would have had this exciting Lee-Tim Lincecum match-up taken away from us.

The 10 best pitchers to NEVER start a World Series Game 1:

1. Randy Johnson

2. Pedro Martinez

3. Steve Carlton

4. Robin Roberts

5. Juan Marichal

6. Gaylord Perry

7. Ferguson Jenkins

8. Nolan Ryan

9. Phil Niekro

10. Roy Halladay

Of the 156 pitcher to start Game 1 of the World Series, 34 did it more than once. One of these pitchers was named Orval Overall. He won 20 twice for the Chicago Cubs.

The pitchers who started three Game 1s in a row include Allie Reynolds for the Yankees in the early 1950s, Ken Holtzman for the Bad Boy A's of the 1970s, Don Gullett as mentioned, and Dave Stewart. You know Dave Stewart had an utterly remarkable career -- and not just because he had the odd Mike Tyson voice when he talked. He was called up to the Dodgers as a 21-year-old pitcher in 1978, threw in one game with the Dodgers behind 12-3. He got out of his first jam by getting Bob Shirley to line into a double play.

They called him Smoke, and it appeared that would define his career. Smoke. By the time he turned 30 he had been traded twice and also released. He had a 39-40 record. After a promising 1983 season, he had problems on and off the field until he arrived in Oakland in 1986.

And the next four years, he won 20 games each season. We've often gone over the problem with judging a pitcher by wins, but hey, 20 victories is 20 victories, and anyway over the last 50 years only six pitchers have won 20-plus four straight seasons. It was a remarkable change, not only in performance but also in the way he was perceived, the aura he projected. Quite suddenly, Smoke Stewart was viewed as one of the toughest pitchers in baseball, the guy you wanted on the mound when the team needed a victory. He not only started the consecutive World Series Game 1s, he also started three consecutive American League Champions Series Game 1s. In the 1988 World Series Game 1, he threw eight solid innings and was in position to win the game when this guy, oh, what's his name, you know, Kirk somebody came up with two outs and a man on base against Dennis Eckersley*.

*You know what I had forgotten? Mike Davis had pinch-hit right before Kirk Gibson's at-bat, and he had drawn a walk -- an utterly amazing thing in that:

1. Dennis Eckersley almost never walked anybody.That year, he had walked 11 batters -- two intentionally. the next year, he would walk three.

2. Mike Davis had spent the bulk of his career NOT walking. He had a career .313 on-base percentage.

Mike Davis walked. Jack Buck could have done his "I don't believe what I just saw" thing right there. And then Davis stole second base -- not bad for a 30-year-old who had lost much of his speed. Had Gibson merely singled Davis in there instead of homering and the Dodgers gone on to win, that walk and steal might be pretty famous.

In the 1989 Game 1, Stewart threw a shutout against San Francisco. And in the 1990 Game against Cincinnati -- after two dominant performances in the ALCS against Boston -- Stewart gave a up two-run bomb of a home run to Eric Davis that really let everyone know that the Reds meant business. Stewart was pulled for a pinch-hitter in the fifth -- the only of his 10 World Series starts that he did not go at least six innings.

The King of Game 1 starts is Red Ruffing. Between 1936 and 1942, Ruffing started Game 1 in five of the seven World Series. You know, Dan Shaughnessy really built up the curse of Babe Ruth in Boston, but in many ways the curse of Red Ruffing was just as powerful and baffling. Ruffing was an astonishing 39-96 for the Red Sox, he led the league in losses twice, he was 25 and going nowhere when the Red Sox in a fit of disgust (I can only assume) dumped him on the Yankees for a no-hit outfielder named Cedric Durst, who had made a small name for himself by homering off Pete Alexander in the 1928 World Series (two batters before Babe Ruth did the same). Durst would also hit one home run for the Boston Red Sox before retiring (or being retired) at the end of the season.

And Ruffing would go 234-124 in his years with the Yankees. He started 10 World Series games and the Yankees won seven of them. Only once did the Yankees lose a Game 1 with Red Ruffing on the mound, that was in 1936 when the Yankees were befuddled by the great Carl Hubbell.

But while Red Ruffing is the King ... Whitey Ford is the Ace of Game 1s.

Most World Series Game 1 starts

1. Whitey Ford, 8

2. Red Ruffing, 6

3. Allie Reynolds, 4

(tie) Chief Bender, 4

5. Jack Morris, 3

Dave Stewart, 3

Don Gullett, 3

Ken Holtzman, 3

Paul Derringer, 3

Carl Hubbell, 3

Waite Hoyt, 3

Ford started four Game 1s in a row from 1955-58 -- that little feat has only happened twice in baseball history. The other time? Whitey Ford, from 1961-64.

He started against Don Newcombe, Sal Maglie, Warren Spahn (in back to back years), Jim O'Toole, Billy O'Dell, Sandy Koufax (who actually only started one World Series Game 1, and sat one out for Yom Kippur) and Ray Sadecki.

Ford didn't always pitch well in his Game 1s. The Dodgers ripped him in '56. The Dodgers and then the Cardinals got to him in 1963 and '64. On the other hand, he threw a two-hit shutout against the Reds in 1961, and allowed just one run in a complete game win against Milwaukee in 1957. Interestingly enough -- at least to me -- his best individual World Series came in 1960 against PIttsburgh, the year the Yankees DID NOT throw him in Game 1. They went with Art Ditmar in Game 1 and lost. Ford pitched Games 3 and 6 of that series and threw shutouts in both (the Yankees won those games 10-0 and 12-0). Someone hit a famous home run in Game 7 for PIttsburgh.

So there's a little Game 1 history to impress people at the office. This is one of the more exciting World Series Game 1 match-ups ever, no doubt about it, with a two-time Cy Young winner in Lincecum, against a Cy Young winner and resident artist in Cliff Lee. And they'll be pitching in a pitcher's park, with just about every hitter in both lineups likely feeling some World Series jitters. Lincecum vs. Halladay in the NLCS was exciting -- and Halladay's Game 5 performance with a pulled groin is memorable -- but I'm not quite sure either game quite lived up to the hype (that, admittedly, I was pushing as hard or harder than anyone else). This game won't have quite the same hype, I don't think. But it could, should be terrific.

And Lee IS in position to do something that nobody has ever done. He will start consecutive Game 1s for different teams in different leagues. But, as you know, he's also a free agent after the season ends. And as you know, the Yankees enter this off-season in that two-hours-before-Christmas-Eve-and-I-still-need-presents hysteria. When Lee was throwing his masterful eight innings against the Yankees in the ALCS you could almost see his free agency tote board spinning higher and higher with every pitch, not unlike the National Debt Scoreboard in New York. The Yankees might offer him the richest pitching contract in baseball history, or they might even offer him a shopping spree at The American Girl Store -- whichever ends up being worth more.

So, yes, it's not impossible that Lee will pitch three straight World Series Game 1s for three different teams. That has never happened before. BUT three different people named Lefty -- Lefty Grove, Lefty Gomez and Lefty Stewart -- have started Game 1s. Also Babe Ruth did. Also a guy nicknamed Hippo. So that's almost as amazing.

52 comments:

  1. I've got a good friend that is just not into sports. He likes writing though so I've told him about you Joe, told him I'd send a link. What do you know, the next post was on the hawaii chair, perfect gateway for a non-sports fan. I sent him to the Sweeney essay next, if this goes as I plan we may just make a sports fan out of him. Thanks for the blog, it's great. -JD

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  2. Yeah, but how many times has a three-man playoff been won with a hole-in-one?

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  3. It's interesting you mentioned the parity of 1978-1990 and called it unprecedented, because we're not that far from something similar right now. For all the talk of "blah blah Yankees nobody else can win", from 2001-2010, we've had 9 different world series winners (well, we will, since the Rangers and Giants would both be new), only the Red Sox won twice. 14 different teams made the World Series. Only 5 teams (I believe) have missed the playoffs from 2001-2010...the Blue Jays (who have had a few good teams but are in the toughest division in baseball), the Orioles, the Royals, the Nationals, and the Pirates.

    Yes, some teams have an advantage, but the bottom line is that's a lot of different teams considering there's allegedly "no chance" for anyone else, according to so many fans and so many in the media.

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  4. Sorry, called it "remarkable", not unprecedented. Why did I read it as unprecedented? Weird.

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  5. Stengel was promptly fired after '60 WS and one of the reasons was his failure to start Ford in Games #1, 4 & 7. Instead, his starts in Games #3 & 6 only won the NYYs two games. History may have played out quite differently had Ford seen action in more than 2 games.

    Yes, I know that in MLB, it's probably happened before...But, has there been a 10-9 final score in Game #7 of WS besides that famous Maz HR game back in 1960?

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  6. Is Ford-Spahn (1958) the only instant Game One rematch?

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  7. Here's another WS starting pitching oddity...Perhaps it has happened in other years but I rather doubt it...

    In 1971 WS the Pirates started 6 different pitchers in Games #1-6. Without looking this up for verification, I believe they were 1. Dock Ellis (shelled for L); 2. Bob Johnson (shelled for L); 3. Steve Blass (Complete game 3-hitter, W)
    4. Luke Walker (pulled in 1st inning, retiring only 2 batters, giving up 3 runs; Bruce Kison becomes overnight 20 yr old star with 6.1 superb innings of relief, W); 5. Nellie Briles (complete game 2-hitter, W); 6. Bob Moose (quality start but no decision in 10 inning Oriole win); 7. Blass (complete game 4-hitter, W - Blass is the only pitcher to start a 2nd game for Pirates).

    As I recall, Ellis complained of shoulder soreness after Game 1; Johnson was a nervous nellie in Game 2 so Murtaugh never used him again and Walker was horrible in first inning of Game 4, so ditto. Blass and Briles as starters and Kison and Guisti in relief outpitched Baltimore's 4 20 game winners, McNally, Palmer, Cuellar & Dobson when it counted most.

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  8. Okay, one other interesting point (at least to me) for our younger WS/MLB BRs...All 7 games of 1971 WS were less than 3 hours in length - even the 10 inning Game #6. You might also recall that Game #4 (in Pittsburgh) was the first WS night game in history and only one for that series. Now we applaud to get one late afternoon start for 2010!

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  9. It's not a WS moment, but my favorite crazy "Believe it or nor" baseball moment is Chan Ho Park giving up two grand slams to Fernando Tatis in the same inning. That is crazy on so many levels. Tatis never hit a grand slam before. Heck he only had 113 hr and 448 RBI in 3000+ at bats in his career. And why on earth did Davey Johnson leave Park out there? Talk about giving up a big inning.

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  10. I'm still patiently awaiting the arrival of an MLB hurler who wishes to be called Righty.

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  11. I'm thinking the American Girl shopping spree would exceed all baseball contracts. Especially if you get the makeover and tea party.

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  12. @KyleLitke:

    I don't think you can discredit the "blah blah Yankees nobody else can win" chorus by hand-picking convenient stats. MLB clearly operates with an uneven playing field.

    Here are my hand-picked nuggets:

    - The Yanks been to the post-season 15 of the past 16 years and won the World Series 5 times.

    - 2 of the "only 5" teams you cite as not making the playoffs in the past decade (O's and Jays) have a distinct disadvantage getting there because of the free-spending Yankees (and Red Sox).

    - The Yanks will overpay Jeter to keep him in pinstripes just because they can. This would be playoff suicide for other teams, but the Yanks can cover for his dwindling production.

    - If the decision comes down to money, Cliff Lee will be signed by the Yankees this off-season. Same with any other free agent they target.

    - Almost any other team would have been crippled by the AJ Burnett contract, but the Yankees simply sigh and go after this winter's available aces.

    There will only be parity when three-quarters of the teams in baseball don't hedge their World Series aspirations with wistful "if" scenarios, and when a team like the Yankees has a realistic chance of finishing last in their division.

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  13. The main thing to know about Dave Stewart is that he owned the Red Sox, especially if Clemens was starting for Boston.

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  14. Josh formerly in BostonOctober 26, 2010 at 6:40 AM

    Any article that mentions Orvie Overall the forgotten man on the great Cubs' staff of the aughts is a great article.

    Also if they (the Yanks) offered Lee the shopping spree and a birthday party at American Girl Doll Store that would be amazing.

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  15. Great piece, as always. Regarding Big Stew ... I wonder how those two lopsided WS losses to inferior teams ('88 and '90) ingrained the "Postseason = crapshoot" mentality in the A's front office.

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  16. "or they might even offer him a shopping spree at The American Girl Store"

    I see I am at least the third person to mention this (Goodness we are a renaissance group here), but I just wanted to say, as a man with 4 daughters (and a wife who loves dolls), nothing could possible be more expensive than this.

    Brent

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  17. The real amazing this is that American Girl sales are up this year. In other words, the most expensive thing on the planet has seen an increase in sales despite the worst economy since the Great Depression.

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  18. Another thing to know about Smoke Stewart: he's one of the five All-Dave All-Star pitchers to have thrown a no-hitter.

    If Dave Henderson is on the 25-man roster (not a sure thing), he adds another top Series performer.

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  19. To 10:50am:
    A great point. Personally, I find today's games unwatchable, with all of the pre-game BS, the seemingly interminable breaks every half-inning, the adjustment gyrations of many hitters after each pitch, inumerable pitching changes, announcers who never shut up ... it's just too much for this curmudgeonly baseball fan.

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  20. Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-BlogOctober 26, 2010 at 8:39 AM

    @Anonymous@KyleLitke

    I hadn't seen anyone mention this, but since you basically used this for 2 of your remarks about the Yankees advantage, I thought I would point it out.

    There is a team in the World Series right now that was able to get there even while leaving a $20+ million dollar player off their playoff roster.

    I guess other teams can get away with a bad contract and still make it to the Series.

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  21. Oh, you mean Dave Stewart was average until he played one year with Mark McGwire and Jose Canseco, and suddenly he's one of the best players in the league for 3 years in a row? Hmmm... nothing fishy here... just like nothing fishy with an 18th round draft pick who plays average ball playing one year behind Mark McGwire and suddenly becoming the best first baseman (hitter) of all time... nothing fishy there, either...

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  22. Victor Laszlo, Jr.October 26, 2010 at 9:02 AM

    World Series Game One pitching match-ups got of to an impressive start with Deacon Phillippe from Pittsburgh besting Cy Young of Boston in 1903 (Young got his revenge in Game 7) and Christy Mathewson (NY Giants) blanking Eddie Plank (Philadelphia A's) in 1905. Three Hall of Famers plus an overlooked top pitcher in Phillippe (.634 winning percentage/ career 2.59 ERA).

    John McGraw robbed baseball of a Mathewson/Young Game One match-up by refusing to lower himself to play an American League team in 1904.

    I wonder what Old Hoss Radbourn thinks about Game One starter match-ups, having vanquished HOFer Tim Keefe of the NY Metropolitans in the 1884 opener for the Providence Grays and in pints consumed following the game.

    http://twitter.com/oldhossradbourn

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  23. Thank you for the Orval Overall 'Nowledge'

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  24. To Anonymous: How exactly is "In the past 10 years, 9 seperate teams have won the World Series and 25 teams have made the playoffs" handpicking stats? That's what the entire argument is about. Those damn Yankees make it impossible for anyone else to win ever...well, except for all the many times that plenty of other teams have won. Is there a monetary advantage? Yes. Does it somehow equal "Yankees spend so much nobody else can compete?" If you say yes, you're being absolutely ridiculous and, frankly, a "Yankee Hater", considering the FACT that they've won one World Series since 2001, along with 8 other teams, with the Red Sox winning 2. Isn't that what it's all about? Winning the World Series? Getting to the playoffs? Most teams in baseball have done the latter in recent years, and plenty of different ones have won the World Series. Clearly other teams can compete.

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  25. To KyleLitke: Sorry, friend, but it is about making the playoffs. The Yankees spent themselves into a guaranteed playoff slot in 15 of the last 16 years. After that, it is a crap-shoot - there are no guarantees. As others have pointed out, the pool table is always slanted toward the Yankees - ask any of us Orioles fans.

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  26. (Post #7) "In 1971 WS the Pirates started 6 different pitchers in Games #1-6."

    The 1955 Dodgers did it too, and they also came back from an 0-2 deficit to win the Series ... I think they were the first to do it. Newcombe started Game 1 and didn't appear again; then it was Loes, Podres, Oisk, Roger Craig, Karl Spooner (5 runs in 1/3 of an inning) and back to Podres.

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  27. Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-BlogOctober 26, 2010 at 10:36 AM

    @KyleLitke@Anonymous

    They funny part, anonymous, since you were the one to bring up Yankee payroll and cherry picking years, is that it was actually about 8 years ago when the Yankees started their payroll gap. Prior to 2002, although the Yankees usually had the highest payroll (excepting 1998 (Orioles)), there wasn't a big discrepency that there has been since 2002.

    You could look it up.
    http://content.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/salaries/default.aspx

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  28. @sir - Yes, and that 1998 Oriole payroll set them back for over a decade. Some horrible contracts from which they could not recover. The Yankees, on the other hand, have had horrible contracts (e.g., Pavano) which they merely absorbed.

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  29. Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-BlogOctober 26, 2010 at 10:45 AM

    @Anonymous

    Orioles fan you say? Were you an Orioles fan in 1998 when they had the highest payroll in baseball and didn't make the playoffs? How about 2000, when they missed the playoffs with the 3rd highest payroll?

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  30. Here is the craziest thing of all about Mike Davis walking before Gibson's home run: Why was he even batting? With two outs in the bottom of the 9th, Lasorda chose to pinch hit with Davis, who had an abysmal season, .196/.260/.270, instead of Gibson. If Davis doesn't defy all odds by reaching base against Eckersly, Gibson never gets his chance to make history. I guess Lasorda truly counted on his "Big Dodger In the Sky" that night, and it worked.

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  31. This isn't starting Game 1 related, but Bengie Molina has to be a highly unusual case, doesn't he? Catching 57 games for 1 team, getting traded at mid season, catching 61 for his new team, and then having the two teams meet in the World Series. I'm sure there must have been cases of players getting traded in mid-season and winding up facing their old team in the Series, but for it to happen with a starting position player was to be unique, doesn't it? (begging for someone else to do the research...)

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  32. Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-BlogOctober 26, 2010 at 10:57 AM

    @Anonymous

    You are getting off your original point. You wanted to discredit the notion of parity over the last 10 years by bringing in 5 other years of Yankees "buying their success" (my quotes not yours) when the Yankees outlier payrolls didn't start until about 8 years ago.

    Your team is a counterpoint that having the highest payroll gaurantees a playoff birth, and the Giants this year are a counterpoint that only the Yankees can have an albatross contract and still make the playoffs (see Zito, Barry)

    I will say no more since we have now officially hijacked the comments. Sorry to others tired of this.

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  33. To Sir-Not-Appearing-In-This-Blog: You need to read the article linked below. It is written by a Yankees fan, for Yankees fans. It explains how in an eight team field, the favorite to win is not the best team, but rather it is ALWAYS the field. Basic mathematics is the simple reason the Yankees haven't won as often as they did when they only had one team to beat after winning the regular season. http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/2010/10/25/reacting-rationally-to-losing/

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  34. Parity is bad. When nobody is really bad, nobody is really good. This stuff about an uneven playing field is irrelevant. Hard salary caps would not make the league better. (I say this as a fan of the game as a whole; I am not a Yankee or Red Sox fan.)

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  35. "Here's a beautiful thing about baseball: It's probably happened. Whatever you're thinking. It's probably happened."

    Here's one that's never happened -- and I think this is amazing given the hundreds of thousands of games played in MLB history:

    Five of any type of extra-base hit (2B, 3B, or HR) by one player in the same game.

    The all-time record for each of these is -- still, after all this time -- 4. NOBODY has ever hit more than 4 doubles, or 4 triples, or 4 HRs in a major league game. Triples and homers I sort of understand, but doubles? Nobody has ever hit 5 doubles in one game? EVER?

    Nope.

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  36. Anonymous said..."just like nothing fishy with an 18th round draft pick who plays average ball playing one year behind Mark McGwire and suddenly becoming the best first baseman (hitter) of all time... nothing fishy there, either..." AT first I thought that you were trying to make a really nasty and baseless accusation about Albert Pujols, except that he NEVER played average baseball in his life (rookie year: .329/.403/.610). Just to be sure though, I looked him up to learn he was drafted in the 13th round, not the 18th round. Since you apparently know so much and would never be one to make such a sloppy mistake, I am now absolutely clueless as to exactly who you are trying to make your really nasty and baseless accusation against. Please tell us, okay???

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  37. @Dodger300: I assume he's talking about Jason Giambi, but it's just an educated guess.

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  38. Thanks, John in Philly. That is possible, I guess, but if so, this Anonymous guy can't get his facts straight. Giambi was a second round draft pick, not 18th, so he was probably pretty good before he met McGwire. After his first year playing with McGwire, Giambi's OPS went to .836 ('96), .857 ('97) and .873 ('98). It would be quite a stretch to say that numbers represent "suddenly becoming the best first baseman (hitter) of all time." So who knows what the guy could be talking about?

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  39. isn't he referencing Dave Stewart?

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  40. This seems like as good a place as any to share a little quiz I made up. It's not game one starters, but something equally fun: game seven winning pitchers in history, including both the WS and the LDSs. Some big names, some no names, and one thing I found particularly interesting: only one pitcher has won two game sevens in his career. I won't say who, but I'll give you a hint: he's in the Hall of Fame.

    http://www.sporcle.com/games/Hellpop/game_7_winning_pitchers

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  41. Jason Kidd. Not Kid. Otherwise, good stuff!

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  42. Hi Joe:

    One thing you forgot to mention regarding Rommel's epic game -- he was actually the winning pitcher!! (Also, he was pitching in relief.)

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  43. 1. Come on guys, don't pretend to not see the elephant in the room, as per Pujols. How many guys impress no one in high school ball, impress nobody at any college (thus having to play at a juco), get drafted in the 13th round with the 402nd overall pick, then, exactly two years after signing for a piddling amount, become the best player on earth?

    2. That is not just a rhetorical question...name me one example of an MLB superstar who has ever come from COMPLETELY out of nowhere. And if you say Piazza, then you HAVE your answer about the elephant.

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  44. "I'm sure there must have been cases of players getting traded in mid-season and winding up facing their old team in the Series, but for it to happen with a starting position player was to be unique, doesn't it? (begging for someone else to do the research...)"

    Off the top of my head, one example would be Mark Koenig, who was traded or sold from the Yankees to the Cubs in 1932. Koening went on a tear for the Cubs, greatly assisting them to the penannt. The Cubs then voted him a half or quarter share for the Series.

    This comprised a large part of the bench jockeying back and forth between the clubs in that series, the Yankees roasting the Cub players as cheapskates. It came to a head when Ruth came to bat in game 3 (I believe) and allegedly Called His Shot.

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  45. Joe R:

    I thought of Koenig too, but you aren't quite accurate. Koenig had actually been off the Yankees for a couple years and was playing in a minor league in 1932 when the Cubs starting SS was shot (??) and they needed an emergency replacement. Koenig hit like he never hit before or after for the 100 or so at bats for the Cubs and helped put them in the Series.

    The rest of what you said is accurate.

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  46. Thanks for the correction. The top of my head isn't what it used to be.

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  47. It's funny. You mentioned Gullickson and I only remember him as a Red (that's my team) even though he barely, relatively speaking, played for them. I was only ten at the time, but I remember the 1987 Topps card - http://danmahan.com/autos/labels/Reds.shtml.

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  48. Anonymous, everything you said about Pujols is wrong. You are not entitled to make up facts. He was never average, to wit: Pujols was a two time All-State player at Fort Osage HS in Missouri. In his one year in college he hit .461 with 22 HR and 80 RBI. Then in the minors Pujols hit .324 with 17 HR and 84 RBI, winning the Midwest League MVP and working his way through AA to AAA that same season. Why did you make up nonsense to try and cast aspersions on him? An honorable person would apologize, but I would be shocked if you do. You should be ashamed. As they say, facts are stubborn things, so perhaps you should become acquainted with them: http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Pujols/Pujols_bio.html. And then google for the Gordon Edes article in the Boston Globe 10/11/2006 describing how the Red Sox let Pujols get away.

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  49. 1) Connie Mack didn't have much choice pitching Rommel for 17 innings in that game. He only brought two pitchers for the road game in Cleveland, and Rommel was his last one. His only other option was to pitch a position player. Jimmie Foxx could have done it, I guess..

    2) Lonnie Smith was traded by the Cardinals to the Royals in the middle of the 1985 season, and then played against his former team in the World Series.

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