This one's personal. Very personal. This is an essay about my daughter and Harry Potter. There is not much sports in it, though there is some Bill James and some Quidditch and even a quick mention of relief pitching. But mostly it's about a Dad and a daughter and imagination. You have been warned.
"For the Harry Potter novels, J. K. Rowling invented a sport, Quidditch, which is played by magical peoples. But in inventing the sport she made an obvious mistake. She placed a very high value—150 points—on catching the golden snitch. What is obvious to a sports fan is that this would, in effect, make the game unplayable; the too-high value for the snitch would crush all of the other objectives of the sport, making the entire game revolve around capturing the snitch. In practice, every player would be basically committed to spotting the snitch, rather than just the Seeker, so that the game would not in fact play out the way that Rowling assumes that it would. "
-- Bill James
There are probably not many people in the world who can say this: I started reading the Harry Potter books because of Bill James. Well ... Bill James and my wife. I have never been drawn to fantasy. It is a shortcoming of my imagination, I think. I am, in many ways, a literal and linear thinker, not unlike the woman comedian Garry Shandling once took on a date to the movie E.T. As the bicycle was flying across the moon, the woman turned to Shandling and said: "Yeah. Right."
To which he thought: "I don't think it's a documentary."
Or anyway, that's how the joke goes.
I remember once in high school playing Dungeons and Dragons with some pseudo-friends. Once. I was nerdy enough and reclusive enough to play Dungeons and Dragons, but not near-creative enough, and when asked what "powers" I craved for my character (I'm still not sure I ever quite understood the rules) I could only think of wanting to fly, being bulletproof and having X-ray vision. Superman was at the farthest reaches of my imagination and needless to say I was not asked back into the game. I never did quite get it. I never read The Hobbit or anything like it; I still have seen only the first of The Lord of the Rings trilogy and I didn't understand it at all. The Harry Potter books offered no appeal whatsoever.
My wife Margo is very much into such things, though, and she kept pushing me to read them, and I had my stock answer: "I will definitely read them when I run out of grown-up books." This set piece of sarcasm did not dull her enthusiasm -- she knows me too well, knows I wear down in the later rounds -- and she kept hammering away at me to read the books, read the books, read the books.
And then Bill James came in for the kill. Bill, in the cliche of public opinion, seems a man without imagination or a sense of romance. He is, in public readings, the man who has turned baseball into a row of numbers. He has come to accept this as the price of being able to live a baseball life. But it has nothing at all with Bill James himself. When it comes to baseball, he loves the romance of the game more than anyone I know. He loves the way the grass smells, the way base runners go from first to third, the way pitchers kick at the dirt, the way the game's history (and I mean the ENTIRE history going back into the earliest known moments of baseball in the 19th Century) plays on every current moment. He also doesn't much like damn nonsense, and he will work numbers and create formulas to cut through. But that doesn't cut into his love of baseball or of literature or Bob Dylan. People are never as simple as the cliche. Anyway, Bill suggested I read Harry Potter, and I always do what Bill tells me, so I started the first book, and two weeks later I had finished the first six and on the first day it was out I bought and read the seventh.
There are many things I love about the Harry Potter books. Quidditch is one of those things. It is -- as I'm sure you know -- the game J.K. Rowling invented that features players on broomsticks, three goals that look like the hoops children use to blow bubbles, a quaffle (a soccer-ball sized thing the players use to try and throw through the goals), two bludgers (rather large iron balls the players use to knock other players off their broomsticks) and the Golden Snitch, which Bill referenced above. The Snitch is a tiny enchanted ball with wings that is released at some point and is almost impossible to catch (which is why catching it is worth 150 points vs. the 10 points you get per goal). The game ends only when the Snitch is caught, and Rowling imagines great games in Quidditch history that went on for months and months because neither side could quite catch it. One player on each team tries to catch the snitch -- he or she is called the seeker. Harry Potter, of course, is a seeker.
And, despite Bill's absolutely correct statement about the value of catching the snitch being too high*, the game is wonderful, just another piece of the books' wonder. It seems so silly to say this because it has been said so often, but J.K. Rowling is a marvel. She conjured up this complete world that is like ours and unlike ours, and as a writer I am awed by how her mind works. I have nothing to compare with Harry Potter, nothing all, because of course I have not read other fantasy books. I cannot and would not tell you that the books are somehow better than the Lord of the Rings Series or the Golden Compass series (which my wife loves) or the vampire books or the Rick Riordan books or anything else. I have no idea. And I will always have no idea -- unless Bill James recommends another of those series, I guess.
*Though perhaps this view is based on Harry Potter being so good at catching the snitch. It is clear from reading the books that catching the snitch is supposed to be ridiculously, absurdly, comically hard, but it's not THAT HARD for Harry. He seems to catch it with relative ease every time (except when the Dementors ... well, let's leave that for now). He is like the early 2000s Barry Bonds without performance enhancers -- if someone without any sense of the rules had watched Bonds, and only Bonds, they might have concluded that a home run was too easy to make the game much fun.
In any case, I am reading the Harry Potter books again -- this time aloud to my 9-year-old daughter Elizabeth. We are in the fourth book now. And reading them aloud has struck something in me about words and language and the power of imagination. Elizabeth is not like I was as a child. She is bewitched by fantasy, by werewolves (that scare her beyond reason) and vampires (she is infatuated with them, which does not make me especially happy) and witches and wizards and dark magic and castles and secret entrances and potions and all that. I have mentioned here before that Elizabeth does not have much use for sports* -- she is the daughter who will sit on my lap during games and occasionally ask "Daddy, when will the commercials come back on?" -- but she even loves Quidditch enough to ask basic strategic questions ("Why don't they work harder to protect Harry from the bludgers?").
*I say that my daughter does not know or care about sports but as any father or mother can tell you, kids are probably listening harder than you think. A few weeks ago, we had longtime friends stay with us, and their son (who I have known since he was born) was with them, and he is Elizabeth's age and already a pretty promising baseball player. He throws right-handed, swings left, and his swing already looks a bit like Billy Williams'. In any case, Elizabeth was asking him what position he played. And with wonder I heard this conversation.
Boy: "I am a shortstop and a pitcher."
Elizabeth: "What kind of pitcher?"
Boy: "What do you mean?"
Elizabeth: "Well, are you a starter or a closer?"
Boy: "What's a closer?"
Elizabeth: "A closer is the pitcher who comes in the ninth to make sure you don't lose."
Boy: "Oh, I'm not that."
I was going to finish that off with a joke, with Elizabeth saying something like "That's good because I don't particularly like the constricting role many managers have for their closers," but that would have reduced the effect because the above really is pretty much word for word what Elizabeth said, and my jaw dropped. I had no idea. If someone had asked me what Elizabeth knew about baseball, I would have said: "That she can get nachos with cheese at the stand on the top of our section." They really are paying attention more than you expect.
Elizabeth loves the Harry Potter books -- and through her I love them even more. Every jolt, every laugh, every thrill, every annoyance I felt reading the book myself is magnified ten fold through Elizabeth. Every night (more or less) we read a chapter. And she falls for every literary trap. She comes out of those traps with her eyes wide open. She loves characters and despises them and is constantly surprised by them, which I think makes for the best sort of reading and also educational on an entirely different level from, say, history books or science books. She has learned through just the first three books that not all is what it seems, that bad is sometimes good, and good is sometimes bad, and that almost everything is neither good nor bad but instead a shade.
She asks questions, constant questions, and I always tell her to wait and see, but she isn't any good at waiting, and in this way she is just like me as a father. I'm no good at waiting either. I have been known to read ahead, to fast forward, to read the CliffsNotes. But I do not answer her. I want her mind to work. I want her soul to sing. One day while we were reading the third book, she came home and said that a friend (who had seen the movie) gave away a key secret. I was furious. Elizabeth is not even allowed to watch the movie until she has finished each book. The thing is the tension, the effort to get to the answer, the way the imagination paints the picture. But, the truth is, you can't protect them from learning secrets.
All of which leads to this: At the end of the month, I am probably going to go to Florida for bowl games, and I'll bring along the family. And you probably know there is this new Harry Potter World at Universal Studios in Orlando -- The Wizarding World of Harry Potter is the official name. I hear from friends that it is an amazing place. And, of course, Elizabeth wants to go. She more than just wants to go, she is utterly desperate to go. She wants to see Hogsmeade (the wizard town in the book) and she wants to buy candy at Honeydukes (the magical candy shop from the book) and she wants to ride a Hippogriff (I'm not going to keep explaining these things in parentheses -- if you care, you already know). She is desperate to do all these things and many more, and I want her to do these things too, and I have begun to look into buying the tickets ...
... but it's a strange thing. As I look at purchasing tickets, I find myself worrying. Not about the prices, though amusement park tickets are definitely texpensives. I do not worry Harry Potter World will be a disappointment or not worth the money or any of that. It's kind of the opposite. I don't have the exact words, but I guess I worry that Harry Potter World will replace the Harry Potter world of her imagination. I worry that Harry and Dumbledore and He Who Shall Not Be Named and the Great Hall and the invisibility cloak and the sorting hat and all the wonderful and magical things that J.K. Rowling placed in Elizabeth's mind will lose a bit of their magic and become something more earthy and plain and touristy and ...
I don't know. Maybe this is why we don't want kids to find out about Santa Claus. We don't want their worlds to have limitations. We don't want their worlds to lose their magic. I know we will go to the Wizarding World of Harry Potter with a million other fathers and daughters, mothers and sons, and I know it will be wonderful. And I guess I'm afraid that we'll get home and I will curl up next to Elizabeth to read another chapter of Harry Potter and she will say: "Oh Dad, I've already seen it. I'm grown up, you know." I know those words are coming. I'm not ready for them. I know I won't ever be ready for them.
Circle me Voldemort.
ReplyDeleteThat's right. I said it.
You remind me of my father. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteCircle me, Dumbledore.
ReplyDeleteThat was a wonderful thing to read, Joe. Now I'm all excited for my 2-year old to be old enough to read Harry Potter to and all sad that some day he'll be too old.
ReplyDeleteFantastic. You almost brought me to tears. Thanks
ReplyDeleteIf she's watching the movies, then she already has a mental image of the characters/settings/creatures/etc. beyond the descriptions in the books. The Universal ride won't do any more damage.
ReplyDeleteYou look at a column like this, and then you read the drek Bill Simmons put out last week about his daughter, and you come to appreciate how Joe is simply writing on a completely different level than anyone else right now.
ReplyDeleteI love these books and have since I was a kid. I was the perfect age for these books and literally grew up as Harry grew up.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I can say is that you are never too old for Harry. I still re-read them now as a 23 year old business professional and the magic of the books captures me as if I was nine.
That is the beauty of this series.
Nice piece, Joe.
ReplyDeleteI remember going to the first movie with my daughter for one of her friend's birthday party. It was the first weekend at a brand new huge stadium-seating multiplex. The party was ushered in ahead of everyone else, which I thought was pretty cool. Until I realized this small group (about 25, including the parents who decided to stay, including me) was the ONLY audience in that theater. Now THAT was cool. I don't know what the arrangements were, but even the kid's parents seemed shocked.
What fond memories this brought back of the time I spent reading the Harry Potter books to my kids. It truly was magical, and so was this blog, Joe. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteJoe,
ReplyDeleteThis is eerie - my oldest daughter (who's roughly your oldest daughter's age) finished the final Harry Potter book literally yesterday. Naturally, when I tucked her into bed, she had a list of questions about the Elder Wand and what exactly happened in the forest and all that. (The last book is awfully difficult to understand even for adults.) I doubt she understood everything, but that's okay - it will make the series that much more enjoyable when she inevitably re-reads it in a few years.
And also by coincidence, my family was in Orlando last month and visited Universal's Islands of Adventure. My assessment:
1) I wouldn't worry about how visiting the Wizarding World of Harry Potter will somehow ruin the magic of the books. For one thing, it's a very small - almost disappointingly small - slice of the Harry Potter universe. She'll get a taste of it, but just enough to whet her appetite.
2) The "Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey" ride is one of the best theme park rides I've ever been on - it's certainly the most creative. She'll love it.
3) Prepare for crowds everywhere - there was a 30-minute wait just to get into the Owl Post. Kind of ruins the ambiance a little, because I never though of Hogsmeade as being that crowded.
4) Definitely get a butterbeer - but just one is enough for the whole family. The vendor told me the taste is supposed to be a mix of shortbread cookies and butterscotch, which was accurate. It's very good - and VERY rich. A shot glass would be enough for one person, but instead you're getting a 32-ounch cup.
Wow, stcloudgopher, you sound like a real fun person to be around.
ReplyDeleteThanks, I loved reading this post, I don't have kids but I am an adult who enjoyed the series as well. Regarding the point about the whole thing losing a bit of its magic when she visits the theme park, isn't it similar when they watch a movie? A movie can fill in the gaps in anyone imaginations, but it can also replace what you imagined someone or something to be like. Also, I think the same rule that you pointed out (kids know more than you think) will apply to this theme park. I'm sure by 9years old your daughter will know that it isn't entirely real in the back of her mind but will have a lot of fun at the park, and enjoy the experience nonetheless. That's the great thing about books, she can always re-live the experiences of Harry, Hermione, Ron and others over and over again for many more years, and those kinds of stories never age or become dated like a lot of movies.
ReplyDeleteAnother thing (sorry, last post today, I promise):
ReplyDeleteWhat, exactly, is the fascination with theme parks? I went to 6 Flags in Texas a few times as a youngster, but have lived in Minnesota for the past 18 years and have not once been to Valleyfair. I've vacationed in several cities that have, supposedly, great theme/amusement parks and have yet to buy a ticket.
I love roller-coasters and anything that gives a that rush, but I just cannot get into it. Some friends and I were having the discussion just the other day (because of the Disney commercial where the dad opens the pizza to tell his kids they're going). None of us remember ever wanting to really go to Disney. Maybe because it was simply not an option. The only vacations we took as a family were to visit family, and family meant a 17-hour drive from Texas to Minnesota (summer and winter). Florida? California? Never even crossed my mind as a kid. THAT was a fantasy. And now, even when I can get to those places myself, I tour breweries, find museums and take photos of old, local architecture.
Man, I hope my kids (none now, two due in June) have an imagination, just for their sake to fit in with other kids. But I'll secretly be wishing that they would rather have me read them something from my book of Great Speeches from the 20th Century, or teach them how to calculate on base percentage.
I think that scoring goals in Quidditch is also important in part because overall standings are a result of points scored, not games one.
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quidditch#Game_progression
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ReplyDeleteDavid Eddings Belgariad is the best fantasy series I ever read and a good one for your daughter once she is done with Harry Potter. A PG-13 story with lots of strong female characters.
ReplyDeleteBTW - I enjoy these non-sports articles better than the sports ones. I sent "Travel Day" to every member of my family and they just loved it.
Ah, the curse of curiosity. It is at once the source of passion, delight, and disillusionment. I think the trick is realizing that you cannot preserve the secret of anything forever, but rather must consistently seek out the next avenue for your imagination to pursue.
ReplyDeleteFrom Wikipedia page referenced above: "Since at least 2003, Harry Potter fans have played ball games resembling the Harry Potter sport. In the United States, teams from more than 200 colleges are affiliated with the International Quidditch Association and play tournaments. Furthermore, high-level Quidditch tournaments are a mainstay of Harry Potter Conventions, such as Nimbus 2003, The Witching Hour, and, most recently, Infinitus 2010."
ReplyDeleteI... I just... Dear, god. This is so sad.
I've never cared about the spoilers. The big reveal in Book Three catches me everytime, even though I know what the result is, because the build-up is so good. And given there are seven books, all with "Harry Potter" as the first words of the title, it's difficult to believe he dies in any of the first six books, yet the suspense still works. So don't get all worked up about the friend giving her some future fact: Rowling will take care of it.
ReplyDeleteThat was a wonderful post. Thank you for writing it.
ReplyDeleteI was half way through the book series when the 1st movie came out. I wish hadn't seen it because when I read the remainder of the series all my mental pictures were based on how things looked in the movie. And my imagination was better.
ReplyDeleteJoe,
ReplyDeleteThere are some very good books out there about the importance of mythology in culture. One of the fascinating things about Tolkien was that he didn't believe imagination was something exclusive to youth. A really great book is J.R.R. Tolkien: Myth, Morality, and Religion, which is non-fiction but I couldn't put it down without finishing. Take a gander and perhaps you may find yourself not just protecting your own children's love of mythology, but instead actually taking up an interest of your own.
I was keeping it together until the last paragraph, Joe, and then I lost it. I've got a 5-month old daughter, and I'm not ready for those words, either. I'm looking forward to the journey from here to there, though.
ReplyDeleteJoe,
ReplyDeleteSensational post. I was also very resistant to Harry Potter books, until so many people I knew, who were wildly different from each other, told me I had to read them.
Each one is a treasure. I can't wait until I have kids and can share them like you're doing.
Can we talk about how illogical and contradictory it is for you to, on one hand, insist that you are linear and literal and then say that you won't read any other fantasy books despite your sincere enjoyment of Harry Potter? It stands to reason (and logic and linear thinking) that if one likes Harry Potter books, that the same person will also like other similar types of literature. It shouldn't take Bill James' telling you that the Hobbit or Lord of the Rings books will be supremely enjoyable; although, if he did, he would be correct.
ReplyDeleteGreat post.
Don't be so obstinate.
Joe,
ReplyDeleteAs a 23-year-old engineering grad student, who now spends days in a pretty black and white, cut and dry (pick your cliche) world, and who grew up on these books, this post me almost irrationally happy.
There's nothing like imagining, just for a moment, that I could take arithmancy instead of arithmetic, or hold a beater's bat instead of a golf club.
Thanks.
My daughter is seven and we have the movies and some of the books on tape, but I'm waiting...waiting...for her to sit still long enough to read them to her. I can't wait much longer. This piece is qute nice, thank you. I very much enjoy your writing, Joe.
ReplyDeleteBest,
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So, I love Joe's writing, and I love Harry Potter--reading this was sheer bliss.
ReplyDeleteUm...find out what about Santa Claus?
ReplyDeleteWait, Bill James loves baseball AND Bob Dylan? That's too much.
ReplyDeleteBill James: wonderful writer even without the numbers. His historical work is amazing.
ReplyDeleteDisney Harry: don't worry, the books will stay with her. I predict her reaction will be to point out the things that are inconsistent with the books.
Anything I said here would be redundant.
ReplyDeleteExcept that this was a wonderful, wonderful piece of writing.
That was lovely, Joe... thank you.
ReplyDeleteI actually read all the Harry Potter books out loud to my husband, which is really the only way you can really read a book together with someone else. I look forward to reading them to my own kids one day, and you brought tears to my eyes with this.
Well written, Joe. Very heartfelt and it certainly struck me in a way only you can with your writing. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, but choosing Harry Potter over The Lord of the Rings is inconceivable to me (and yes, that word means what I think it means). JRR Tolkein is to JK Rowling as Joe Posnanski is to Jason Whitlock (or whichever other lessor writer you prefer).
ReplyDelete@GinKC - beautiful comment. I genuinely laughed out loud and for a long time.
ReplyDeleteIf I can make a post-Potter recommendation, Ursula LeGuin's Earthsea cycle (starting with A Wizard of Earthsea) are well worth your daughter's time. Heroic, suspenseful, great characters and the TV adaptation was so horrible that it has sank from view completely.
ReplyDeleteI need to retain the magic in the books that I read, which is why I go to ridiculous lengths (never reading the book jacket, never telling my friends the book I'm in the midst of reading). It's why I will never see the Harry Potter movies, although as a childless adult that's easy for me to say.
Nice post Joe, but really I just stopped by to tell you that you've made Deadspin.
ReplyDeletehttp://deadspin.com/5708384/joe-posnanski-is-the-salt-of-the-earth-peter-king-is-a-leech
You are salt of the Earth indeed.
Oh, and is KC going to get the NO Hornets or Seattle?
I'm going there from January 2nd to the 8th. I'm so excited for it that I can't even put it into words. I think for me its partially because I was always the same age as harry when the books came out. whatever it is, I love those books.
ReplyDeleteand this story was pretty great.
Joe,
ReplyDeleteCan I suggest that you read The Chronicles of Narnia to Elizabeth next?
Deadspin had it right. Joe is "The Salt of the Earth". Thanks for this article. My older kids have read all of the HP books already. This makes me want to start reading now to my 6 year old and my 8 year old. Right away.
ReplyDeleteThat was very touching.
ReplyDeleteJoe, Im here to tell you that you aint got nothing to worry about.
Im damn near 40 , and my Mom -- a big Harry Potter fan -- still treats me like Im 9 every chance she gets. And, Im gonna be the last person on earth who takes that joy away from her.
Surely the hat would have sorted you into Hufflepuff, Joe. Hard-working, loyal, a man of the people. A great post that conjured wonderful memories.
ReplyDeleteFive years ago, on the first day of summer vacation after second grade, my daughter climbed into my lap to hear the first chapter of Sorcerer's Stone. Before I could start Chapter 2, she grabbed the book and devoured the rest by herself. From then on we raced through four more volumes to be ready for the imminent release of Half-Blood Prince, she reading during the day and me trying – often without success – to keep pace at night. Waiting two more years for Deathly Hallows was hard, but well worth it. Hearing your child repeatedly laugh out loud while absorbed in a 700-page book is among parenthood's great treasures.
Enjoyed the movies with her. Imagine the theme park will be fun if we make it there, but nothing will replace that month of plowing through those first six books together and spending two years speculating about what might happen in Book 7.
Oh, and do yourself a favor and check out the audiobooks narrated by Jim Dale. The guy is fantastic, a veritable Cesar Tovar of voices and British-Scottish-Irish accents. Had he accompanied you on Travel Day, that drive across Pennsylvania would have been but a blink of the eye.
For read-alouds to our kids, the Narnia series, the Little House on the Prairie books (aside from those endless descriptions of churning butter) and My Father's Dragon were all very popular with my daughter and her younger brothers.
There are some things you can't share without ending up liking each other, and knocking out a 12-foot mountain troll is one of them.
Heres my impersonation of Joe's first few hundred words of his 20,000 word essay before the first time his daughter goes out on a date:
ReplyDeleteI have never owned a shotgun before. Growing up in Cleveland , I had no use for it. Sure there are a couple of Cleveland Indians I watched growing up who I thought should be shot, but as you know -- Im a good egg. So, as you may imagine , shopping for one was a bit difficult. Theyre more texpensive than I thought they would be. Especially since I have no plans on using it. But I have every intention of showing it to this motherbleeper who comes to pick up my daughter tonight. If I learn how , I might even pump the action on it one time to let him know when I say 10 o'clock -- I mean 10 o'clock.
Of course I used every resource at my disposal to find out everything I could about this kid. Problem is, its hard to find dirt on somebody who just turned 16.
And you can bet your newly minted Bill James commerorative coin -- if I could find the producers of that dam twilight series I would shoot them in the bleepin face.
* If this kid shows up looking like that Rob Patterson character I might shoot him anyway.
Maybe its just me. My wife says I have nothing to worry about. That I just been in a bad mood ever since Derek Jeter broke Pete Rose hits record and Jack Morris got in the Hall of Fame.
Don't take her Joe. My son is 7 and I took him to the Future of Sports panel and now he refuses to read Soul of Baseball.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, I regret letting him watch the first couple of movies. Now that he is old enought to read them, he is not nearly as interested.
I love that Joe's Brilliant Readership has grown to the point that there are almost 50 comments on this post, substantially less than a day after the posting.
ReplyDeleteAs always, thanks, Joe.
What an amazing piece.
ReplyDeleteAs a father of two little girls, I also rue the day when they will inevitably tell me they don't need my help, so I will continue to snuggle with them every night until that happens.
Speaking of the Fellowship of the Ring, at the end of that movie Aragorn, the Elf and the Dwarf watch Frodo and Sam disappear into the woods on the other side of the river. They are heading to Mordor to destroy the ring, but the three big shots opt not to follow them, instead deciding to chase the two useless hobbits Merry and Pippin who have been captured by Orcs. In the book, Frodo and Sam headed toward Mordor unbeknownst to the rest of the "fellowship". Aragorn, the Elf and the Dwarf chased after the orcs because they mistakenly thought the orcs had Frodo, and thus the ring.
ReplyDeleteBut in the movie, they changed that scenario. Why?
I mean, why?
Seriously, why?
I haven't watched a single minute of the Harry Potter movies and actively avoid seeing the movie previews on TV as much as possible so as not to ruin the imaginative Harry Potter world I've created in my head.
ReplyDeleteI had the same thought about Quidditch when I first read the rules, but Hsquared is right about total points mattering in the standings. Also there's a game where the other side scores so many goals that Harry actually has to hold off on catching the Snitch until they're within 150 points, so goals don't seem to be totally irrelevant. (Good insight about how Harry's skill probably throws off the balance.) Still, you wonder why teams don't devote some extra resources to helping the seeker.
ReplyDeleteIf you're looking for more fantasy after Harry Potter, I'd suggest looking into Diana Wynne Jones. Her similarity scores to JK Rowling are pretty high -- my favorite is Witch Week, which is another book that takes place in a school for possibly magic-powered children (though since magic is illegal in that world, the magic is much different).
I haven't read Narnia for well over 25 years now, and one of the very few details I remember about it is how much the ending made me angry. So be cautious. (On the positive side, the whole seven-book series is about as long as Order of the Phoenix.)
I was a voracious reader as a child, and my biggest disappointments always came when a book was turned into a movie or cartoon. It never matched up with my imagination and always cheapened the magical effect. I guess this is really just a function of growing up.
ReplyDeleteCircle me nostalgic.
Joe,
ReplyDeleteIf you want "grown-up" books that are similar to Harry Potter, I strongly recommend A Song of Ice & Fire. The first book is "Game of Thrones"; definitely the best fiction I've ever read.
gautsid....dude, you need to more clear about how grown up those are...those are not for children, and frankly, are only loosely like Harry Potter at all
ReplyDeleteThe Quidditch rules have always bothered me (well, always since I finally caved and read the books two years ago). And regarding how good Harry apparently is at catching the snith, I've always wondered if perhaps the Hogwarts snitch is kind of a "kids" snitch, which makes it slower, easier to capture, etc. I mean, high school kids are allowed to use aluminum bats, the three point line is closer, etc. It would sort of make sense that the snitch used at what is basically a middle/high school would not be quite as difficult to catch as that used at the World Cup.
ReplyDeleteAs for the "real world" quidditch, I really don't understand how that works. The snitch and the bludgers are both "magical" and have minds of their own, which is an extremely important part of the game (especially the snitch). Take those elements out, and don't you basically have European Handball?
Great post, as usual. My 9 year old has read all the books. He REALLY wanted to see the 6th movie and wasn't allowed to until he'd read the book. Unfortunately, my younger son won't have that experience, having absorbed all this through his older brother.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree with Rany and his observations about the park. Was just there with my 9 and 6 year olds in October. My advice, make sure the kids are 48 inches tall. My 6 year old was 47 3/4 and couldn't go on the Forbidden Journey. They really tried to get him on, but they stick to the height requirement. We'd prepared him, and he loves the Hippogriff, so that ride appeased him.
And if you decide to jump into the Tolkien books, start with the Hobbit. Not only is it first, I believe Tolkien actually wrote it for his kids, so it's not as heavy and self-important as the LOTR books get at times (and I say this as a someone who's read the books and seen the movies at least a dozen times).
Nice post. My kids are getting to the age where they might enjoy books like Harry Potter. I think they're still too easily scared, so maybe it's not appropriate yet. But I look forward to experiencing what you describe.
ReplyDeleteWonderful blog, Joe! In one article, you made me laugh out loud and reflect about my kids growing up too fast, all in about 5 minutes! I really enjoy reading your work. Thanks! Matt B
ReplyDeletePersimmon, speaking of changing parts of the book, I read today that Cate Blanchett is going to play the role of Galadriel in The Hobbit. But she wasn't in the Hobbit the book version, just the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I fail to see how adding Galadriel to The Hobbit can contribute to the story in any meaningful way.
ReplyDeleteI just started reading "Charlotte's Web" to my 4-year-old son. I'm actually surprised at how much he's enjoying the book, and even moreso that he's willing/able to sit still for 20 or so minutes at a time while we read a book with very few pictures.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone have a suggestion for book on a similar level to start next?
I have another Quidditch flaw.
ReplyDeleteIn the World Cup, Krum catches the snith while trailing by more than 150 points, thus ending the match and ensuring a loss. This would never ever happen, especially in the World Cup finals. Rowling explains it by saying he knew they could not score enough goals to catch up with the Irish, so he basically wanted to end the game while the score was respectable. Nobody with a competitive bone in their body would admit defeat in a matter of minutes, especially when a match that can last months is a possibility. Wouldn't they simply try to play until members of the other team started dying, thus ensuring them opportunity to score goals uncontested until the score is such that the 150 snitch points would ensure the win?
That's my beef, and I've simultaneously made my point and revealed what a huge nerd I am.
I love the Bill James quote. I thought the same thing when I first heard the rules. I remember thinking, why in the hell would you even try and get a goal?
ReplyDeleteYou have reminded me of the dedication CS Lewis put into the first Narnia book, "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe," which ran something like this:
ReplyDeleteTo Lucy: when I started writing this book, you were at the proper age for fairy tales. But I did not realize that children grow faster than stories, and by the time I finished you were already to old for it. By the time it is printed and bound you will be older still. But someday, you will be old enough again for fairy tales, and I hope that you will take this down, dust it off, and tell me what you think of it. I shall probably be too old to understand, and too deaf to hear a word you say, but I shall still remain, Your affectionate uncle.
As I get old enough for fairy tales again, I find that this small dedication becomes one of my favorite parts of the entire series. Don't fret if you can't write the Harry Potter books, Pos, because you wrote a great dedication for your daughter; she'll remember that long after the books are a vague warm memory.
Quidditch rules always bothered me so much that I often found myself leafing through pages to see the end of the game - it was that troubling to me.
ReplyDeleteThe books are indeed wonderfully written - well until you get to the end of 6 and then book 7 continues the (to me) annoying feeling that she was running out of words but kept on at least 1 book too far. Overall I still really enjoyed the series though.
As for reading Narnia with your daughter, I beg you to please don't. I understand that many people really like Narnia books but they are simply nowhere near as fascinating as Potter or Lord of the Rings - and it is not really close as far as talented writing goes either.
Which leads me to suggest that you read some of the more popular fantasy series so you are placed to better suggest to your daughter which she might like. After all, you are a wonderful writer and certainly can tell the good stuff from the bad, even if you don't much care for the genre.
Belgariad is a good one as is Lord of the Rings but I'm going to recommend one that I enjoyed as a kid (the others all being adult reads for me) - the Oz books. Most people don't know (or care?) that there were many Oz books written. Most of them are similar (as is true of any series really) and I only remember them with a child's viewpoint having never re-read them - I suspect I don't want to lose how I feel about them as I have with other childish memories :)
Oh and read Lord of the Rings, Joe - it is well worth it even if Bill James wouldn't approve.
The problem with Lord of the Rings (and no, I don't really mean PROBLEM -- I think they are fantastic) is that they are both more than and less than a novel. The Hobbit is a novel, plain and simple. The Lord of the Rings reminds me more of epic poem in the Odyssey/Iliad/Aeneid vein. It's also weighed down (which is a good thing in my opinion, but I can understand why people don't like it) with all the mythology, languages, and history Tolkien created for his world.
ReplyDeleteOn a completely separate note, if you want another recommendation of a GREAT fantasy series written for children/young adults which seems to be consistently overlooked these days, check out the Prydain Chronicles. There was a Disney animated movie in the 80s called the Black Cauldron (named after the second book), but I think it compressed all 5 books into one film and essentially butchered the plot (I've never seen it, but have not heard good things). Anyways, they are similar to Harry Potter in some ways -- young protagonist coming of age. The fourth book, Taran Wanderer, is especially good.
LSU has a Quidditch team and they went to New York for the finals this year.
ReplyDeleteLike many of your pieces, it made me a little emotional. How a sports journalist finds a way to make a 25-year old, full-grown young man get all sappy.. at work.. at 10am on a Wednesday.. after having done so many a time in the past, is beyond me.
ReplyDeleteYou always bring so much more to each story than stats, facts and mere athletic banter. Aside from combining 2 of my most beloved ingredients of life – sports and HP – you always finds a way to make it ring, Joe.
For you, a thousand times over. Thanks for everything.
My daughter is ten, and we are reading them aloud as well, and she went with grandparents and a cousin to the theme park. We are also doing the read a book/watch a movie routine. Anyway, she had a blast at the park and it has only enhanced her enjoyment of it. I think she went about the time we finished Prisoner of Azkaban, and we are now almost done with Order of the Phoenix. So there is one more data point that says, go ahead and take her to the park.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I heartily recommend The Tale of Despereaux. Elizabeth might be too old to have it read to her, but maybe not. The interaction of the author with the reader is amazing. I love all of Kate DiCamillo's books made for this age group, but ToD is my favorite.
Joe:
ReplyDeleteI have experienced the books with all of my children. I can only say that the trip to Universal only thrilled them even more and helped add to their love of all things Harry. In many ways, its like Disney in that regard. Enjoy it with her, and choose the frozen butter beer over the cold. Its tastes better.
I was really surprised that my son, who is 4 really got into me telling the tale of 'A Galaxy far far away...'. Over the course of a few weeks, I told him 5 minutes at a time of the tale of Luke Skywalker and the original Starwars Trilogy. It brightened my heart to hear him say each night "could you tell me more of the story?". As Joe and other Readers expressed, I want to hold on to this special age. As an earlier reader downplayed Bill Simmons writing, I really enjoyed his piece, because this is an age when his dad is Captain Awesome, who is the smartest/strongest/funniest guy he knows. Its a little odd that I'm already nostalgic for the present time while I'm still experiencing it. I just know that time won't last forever.
ReplyDeleteBe careful with your daughter and the new movie - it is pretty violent compared to the others.
ReplyDeleteBUT, it is great.
Bobby Aguilera said...
ReplyDeleteWait, Bill James loves baseball AND Bob Dylan? That's too much.
December 7, 2010 6:39 PM
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@Bobby -- How is that too much? I feel exactly the same way. In fact, baseball and Bob Dylan are my two most abiding passions.
To paraphrase David Feherty: "Baseball is like a Bob Dylan song. You don't have to understand it to enjoy it."
Our family read the Potter books every night when my kids were about 7 and 4, then they started reading them themselves when they could. Now that they are 17 and 14, we don't read together anymore, but we will always have that connection, so don't despair.
ReplyDeleteAs for J.K. Rowling, she spoke at a commencement I attended, and it was by far the most brilliant commencement speech I have ever heard--funny, insightful, moving, resonant on multiple levels. I hadn't expected much from the writer of children's books, but I was blown away. Amazing how true talent and intelligence will emerge, whether the writer is writing children's boos or sports columns.
I write for a living, and I hate reading you.
ReplyDeleteAgain and again, you make me want to shut down my word processor and walk away once and for all. What is the point if I can't write things as wonderful as this?
Of course, I won't do that..For one thing, I need the money, and for another it gives me one more reason to keep reading your stuff, so that I may learn from it.
It's like you live at my house. My wife is like your wife, and she wore me down into reading the books. My response for why I wouldn't read them was pretty much like yours. I told her that if I was 12 I would probably think they were great. I also don't think I'd want to go the Harry Potter theme park for the same reasons you don't.
ReplyDeleteI have also had the same thoughts about Quidditch and that the snitch value is too high, that there would be a strategy to not catching it in certain situations (if your team trailed by more than 150 points) and that it always seems too easy for Harry. Man, this article was like the last 10 years of my life as it relates to Harry Potter.
Did you know that colleges now have Quidditch teams? Locally, our Cal Bears are apparently pretty good. It seems ridiculous to me.
"In fact, baseball and Bob Dylan are my two most abiding passions."
ReplyDeleteMe too. And to bring it full circle, Dylan's a baseball fan. There was a photo in Rolling Stone a few years ago, in some roadside store during a tour-bus stop, and he was reading Baseball Weekly.
Very few things in life can bring the joy that reading with your children can. It works on so many levels, seeing things through their eyes, seeing them learn to read, seeing them learn (in time) about the way authors use certain tricks to hook them, just the pure joy of being that close to them doing something they enjoy doing. It's a priceless experience that fades as they become teens....
ReplyDeleteI've been reading science fiction and fantasy since the late 1950s, kicking off with Ray Bradbury's The Illustrated Man and Something Wicked This Way Comes on through the best I could find until my most recent favourite, and possibly the cream of the crop, Terry Pratchett's Discworld series.
ReplyDeleteLike most creative writing, fantasy/sf is a liberal genre. The totalitarian ruler is never the hero – although Pratchett's Lord Vetinari might draw some sympathy – and most stories concern the little guys overcoming great odds through a combination of pluck and a willingness to work together.
When the underdogs do win, that's generally the end of the book – the implied outcome being a rosy-hued future of harmony all round.
In contrast, the world of competitive sport is, for the most part, fascist in outlook and execution. The idea is to crush your opponent, to get him down and put your boot on his throat. Show mercy and you'll be branded a weak fool.
No publishing house will proceed with a novel if sport's macho attitude triumphs at the denouement.
The writers who do get published are those who have only the vaguest idea about sport — and when they try to invent one it comes out as cockeyed as quidditch.
Graphite: "The idea is to crush your opponent, to get him down and put your boot on his throat. Show mercy and you'll be branded a weak fool." ... "The writers who do get published are those who have only the vaguest idea about sport — and when they try to invent one it comes out as cockeyed as quidditch."
ReplyDeleteI think that is why I gravitate toward entertainment that is not fantasy/Sci-Fi. There is too much suspended belief for me. Granted, all fiction takes a grain of salt to digest, but there is something more about reading Slaughterhouse Five or even a "fantasy" like The Plot Against America.
I commented earlier and received some semi-negative feedback (something about not being fun to be around), but I am a person that believes heavily that there are few things fictional worth my time. I go years without reading fiction. There are far more important things to read -- whether it be political, spiritual, athletic or historical.
I love reading whatever book the most recent Ex-president debuts. I am a sucker for anything that picks apart religion like Bill James does baseball. I love Joe's columns and blogs, I still read Simmons and the local guys. My To Read list is densely populated with WWII books, historical speeches, biographies and essays.
I guess I just do not appreciate fiction. That must be it. My wife, after explaining my confusion at the popularity of Harry Potter among an older set, mentioned my preferred vacation activities. I've built a deck and a retaining wall, sneaked into two classes at a local college and spent roughly 16 hours at museums and libraries in our past three vacations. She spent most of her time at the beach because "I'll get four months of snow when I get home."
Even now, nearing the dead of another Minnesota winter, I would rather watch Mythbusters or college basketball than watch some kiddie movie. I'd rather read the opinion page of the local rag than fight through some prepubescent nonsense.
@stcloudgopher - That's a lot of words. You could have just written "I'm better than everyone else."
ReplyDeleteJoe - wonderful, as usual.
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ReplyDeleteTOO DAMN LONG1
ReplyDeleteI realize Bill James-as-God is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but don't wait for his recommendation to read His Dark Materials (Golden Compass). Pullman is an extraordinary writer. Don't let the lobotomized travesty of a film put you off. The Pullman trilogy is one of the best literary works of contemporary times, regardless of age or genre.
ReplyDeleteAlso, as earlier posters mentioned, The Chronicles of Prydain (Lloyd Alexander) and Discworld (Terry Pratchett) are both astonishingly good.
Joe, you sound like a great dad. And your descriptions of the beauty and magic of fantasy are wonderful. So it puzzles me that you love the Potter books, and can't watch LOTR. Because LOTR is....better.
ReplyDeleteGreat post.
e's parody is not getting enough (any?) attention. It was hilarious!
ReplyDelete"She has learned ... that not all is what it seems, that bad is sometimes good, and good is sometimes bad, and that almost everything is neither good nor bad but instead a shade. She asks questions, constant questions ..."
I like this.
I can't say I read a lot to my kids but two I recall as getting a good going over are Roald Dahl's The BFG and – favourite of all favourites – Spike Milligan's Badjelly The Witch. Kids absolutely love this. It's anarchic and in complete bad taste – farting, trousers falling down, that sort of stuff.
ReplyDeleteIf you want your daughters growing up to be reverent little princesses with proper respect for authority, then keep them away from Badjelly. But if you want to have fun, then this is the book.
To those guys worried about the transient nature of the father-daughter relationship, stop worrying. It never breaks. They'll always turn to Dad when they want something done. Just this week, f'rinstance, I helped my 35-year-old build a chicken run.
Of course, that she's living as Grace Adler to a local hairdresser's Will Truman may have something to do with it . . .
We love Harry. Harry has been part of our life from the beginning. We went to Harry Potter World and loved it--but any good reader of Harry knows that neither HP World or the movies will ever displace the magic that JK Rowling creates in each reader's mind. Don't worry. Go, enjoy, and know that the real world of Harry is in your daughter's head.
ReplyDeleteYou should have Elizabeth explain closer usage to Ron Washington.
ReplyDeleteJoe -- what a coincidence. I have never read a single fantasy book in my life, but my 12-year old daughter is a fanatic when it comes to the Harry Potter books, which have helped to make her an avid reader. My daughter's name? Elizabeth. Our last family vacation? The Harry Potter Amusement Park at Universal this Fall. She loved it, particularly the "butterbeer." She only drinks from her butterbeer mugs now.
ReplyDeleteAs for the park itself, the lines for the rides are short, but the lines for the stores are ridiculously long.
You, sir, are becoming one of my favorite bloggers. I also have a 9 year old, and we just went to the Harry Potter "land" at Universal in October. It was wonderful, it was everything we both imagined it would be, it was expensive...don't miss it. All the best to you and yours.
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ReplyDeletemy girlfriend and i are reading moby dick to each other outloud. it's a long, hard, book. i put the movie on because i am impatient; and really, honestly, we should know the story by now. what could it hurt? we made it five minutes before i turned it off. "it is changing the pictures i made in my head," i said. "i like mine better." she agreed and we read another chapter.
ReplyDeleteWhen you finish Harry Potter, I recommend you read Elizabeth the four Tiffany Aching books by Sir Terry Pratchett (The Wee Free Men, A Hat Full of Sky, The Wintersmith, I Shall Wear Midnight). At age nine she is probably a bit too young for the rest of the Discworld books, but these award winners were written for a slightly younger audience. I think Pratchett is the greatest living writer of fantasy (and I know Rowling is still alive).
ReplyDeleteIf you are motivated to read Discworld, I recommend starting with Wyrd Sisters, which is a satire of Macbeth. Pratchett is definitely the greatest living satirist, probably the best of all time. He also is too damned funny for words. At my time of life, when we sold or donated 1500 books last year, Pratchett's one author we still buy (instead of using the library). If you don't like Wyrd sisters, you probably won't like Pratchett. Or, if you prefer, Unseen Academicals is rather about football (British). But since it is his most recent adult book, there are a LOT of previously introduced characters, so much of the humor will escape you.
I also suggest you invest in Harry Potter books on CDs for those long family drives. They really make the miles and hours fly by.
hey muggles, like you i'M FELLING BAD after hearin that HP7 is last. howeva, we've to reapet the past. heres A small size HP7 p1.
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