But I feel quite certain that Bud loves baseball and will happily spend his retirement days (if he ever retires) watching baseball games, eating hot dogs, talking baseball to whoever wants to listen. I've had enough conversations with him to pick up that he's a fan. Yes, he's also a fan of his own legacy, of pushing through his own agendas and all that stuff. But every commissioner is like that. Bud likes baseball and I generally like people who like baseball.
The second thing is more personal ... and probably gets at the heart of why I start posts like this with "Look, I like Bud Selig." I think Bud desperately wants to be liked. And I think that's a rare thing among people of power. Most of them don't care if they are liked or not. Mr. Potter in "It's a Wonderful Life" said: "George, I'm an old man and most people hate me. But I don't like them either so that makes it all even." I think that's probably the default position among the rich and powerful. And, probably because I have the same weakness, I tend to like people who really want to be liked. Bud certainly does.
So, because I like Bud, I just kind of shook my head sadly when I saw Tommy Craggs' story at Deadspin, the one where he prints a Selig letter that calls Baseball's Easter Bunny* Abner Doubleday the "Father of Baseball."
*Where does the Easter Bunny actually rest in the "Stuff we wants kids to believe until they get older" myth collection? Yes, I know, it's sad when kids finally have it broken to them that there is no Tooth Fairy and that the money they found under their bed came actually came from a small group of Silicon Valley inventors who figured out the chemical combination of turning teeth and pillow cases into quarters. But what about the Easter Bunny? Does it rank up there with the great myths -- with the tooth fairy and Santa Claus and George Washington's cherry tree and Mikey having his stomach explode with pop rocks? Or is it really kind of a second-rate myth?
Personally, I guess I would rank the myths like this:
No. 1: Santa Claus
No. 2: Tooth Fairy
No. 3: Your parents know better
No. 4: If you make that face, it will freeze that way.
No. 5: I will stop this car on the highway.
No. 6: No, that mascot is real.
No. 7: Easter Bunny
But maybe I'm underestimating the Easter Bunny.
Back to Bud. It's probably worth starting by printing the Commissioner's full letter.
As a student of history, I know there is a great debate whether Abner Doubleday or Alexander Cartwright really founded the game of baseball. From all of the historians which I have spoken with, I really believe that Abner Doubleday is the "father of baseball." I know there are some historians who would dispute this though.
Thank you for taking the time to write to me. I hope that this has been helpful. I appreciate your interest in this most interesting historical subject.
Sincerely
Allan H. Selig
OK ... OK ... OK, where to begin. I suppose my first thought, my first hope, was that this was some kind of "Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus" kind of letter. That is to say, that my first hope that Bud Selig doesn't REALLY believe that Abner Doubleday is the father of baseball, but he was saying it to keep alive the hopes of some innocent young child who desperately wanted to believe in Abner Doubleday. Yes, Jimmy, there is a Civil War Hero who invented baseball.
Unfortunately, this letter was not written to some innocent young child named Jimmy or Billy (or Josh) but instead to longtime autograph collector and autograph expert Ron Keurajian, who apparently is quite convinced that Doubleday invented baseball. Keurajian is writing a book on Hall of Famers autographs, and I suppose he wants to put in there his own version of Doubleday history.
This according to the Website HaulsOfShame: In (Keurajian's) opinion, "A few 'baseball historians' with way too much time on their hands have attempted to rewrite baseball history. The Mills Commission included the testimony of eyewitnesses to the events of 1839. They ignore concrete evidence and wish to dethrone Doubleday as the game’s father. I suggest they find a new hobby, like bottle cap collecting.”
Fortunately, Keurajian's sophisticated view* now has the endorsement of the commissioner of baseball.
*Bottle cap collecting? Do people really still collect bottle caps? What is this, 1937? This is a lot like those people who are always saying that people who like advanced baseball should "put away their slide rules." Really? Slide rules? We're figuring out baseball stats int he 17th Century?
I suppose it is worth once again laying out the basics of the Abner Doubleday myth. In the latter part of the 19th Century, there was quite a battle going on between two camps about the origins of baseball. The first camp, led by the writer and baseball missionary Henry Chadwick, believed that baseball had evolved from English game rounders. It didn't hurt that he was from England. The second camp, led by pitcher, sporting goods magnate and and baseball pioneer Albert Spalding, felt certain that the game was purely American. It didn't hurt that he was from America. The best guess now is that they were both wrong and that baseball, in some form, goes way, way, way back. But that's not our discussion point here.
The argument was fun at first -- you know, back when America had more visible issues such as the Civil War and Reconstruction -- but then it started to get a bit testy. In 1889, after Albert Spalding had led a baseball tour to foreign lands, there was a big dinner held at Delmonico's in New York on behalf of him and the baseball players (it is reported in many places that Mark Twain and Theodore Roosevelt among many others were there). The master of ceremonies was a man named A.G. Mills, who will become important in a minute. Mills apparently gave a heated speech in which he declared that baseball was most definitely an American thing. The crowd could not agree more and supposedly chanted "No rounders! No rounders!" Baseball as American Invention was becoming a nationalistic thing.
The debate went back and forth for a while, until Spalding decided in 1905, once and for all, that there needed to be resolution. Spalding, like many great men through history, wanted to get to the bottom of things and conclude he was right. And in this spirit, he put together a thoroughly biased committee to find the origin of baseball. He gave the committee a grand name: "The Special Baseball Commission to Establish the Origins of Baseball." In history, it became known as "The Mills Commission."
And this is because, yep, our old friend A.G. Mills who whipped that crowd up into a frenzy back in 1889 was put in charge of the commission. It's clear that Spalding was not really looking for the origins of baseball. He was looking for the American origins of baseball.
Spalding and the Commission put out the word in newspapers and sports magazines that they were looking for any and all clues into how baseball was invented. It was sort of like Wikipedia in the Teddy Roosevelt Era. And like Wikipedia, the nutjobs came out. Some claimed to invent the game themselves. Others had crazed stories.
But one crazed story caught everyone's attention. The following account is built from several sources but mostly David Block's fascinating. Baseball Before We Knew It: A 71-year-old Colorado businessman with a bizarre past named Abner Graves happened to be in Akron, Ohio on business. He was in a hotel, he was reading the local paper, and there he saw a story about how LeBron James had jilted his ... no, wait, that's not right ... he saw a story written by Spalding asking for information about how baseball was invented.
Well, it just so happened that Graves knew how baseball was invented. Perhaps he discovered it during one of his two stays in Iowa asylums. Really. Whatever, Graves sat down and wrote a letter to the Akron Beacon Journal, a letter which began with a brief introduction and then laid out 15 words that would change the game: "The American game of 'Base Ball' was invented by Abner Doubleday of Cooperstown, New York."
The letter was a rather involved explanation of how Abner Doubleday -- "the same, who as General Doubleday won honor at the Battle of Gettysburg" -- had come upon the not-especially-fun game of town ball in Cooperstown and had "made a plan of improvement" that included "calling it "Base Ball," splitting the teams into 11-player sides and so on. Graves then listed off numerous people who played the game.
"'Baseball' is undoubtedly a pure American game, and its birthplace Cooperstown, New York, and Abner Doubleday entitled to first honor of its invention," he concluded in his letter in to the paper.
It is perhaps fair to say that Abner Graves in today's world would be known as a "kook." But people were so eager to discover an American inventor of baseball that his letter was taken quite seriously, so seriously that the Akron Beacon Journal printed his story in the next day's sports page. The understated headline: "Abner Doubleday Invented Base Ball." The Akron Beacon Journal broke the baseball story of the century!
But it didn't really matter. In those days, newspaper accounts -- especially in smaller papers like the Akron Beacon Journal -- did not make national ripples. Nobody cared. The story probably would have died right then and there except ... someone sent it to the commission. And, well, the commission liked it. They liked it A LOT.
The story appealed to the commission people on several levels. One, Doubleday was an American, which was obviously a big part of their search. Two, even better, Doubleday was an American hero -- a war hero, no less. Perfect. And three, there was a powerful connection between a couple of members of the commission and Doubleday. For one thing, according to historian Robert Henderson, A.G. Mills (a Civil War veteran) was a member of the honor guard that watched over the general's body as it lay in state. So he was undoubtedly pleased to find out that Doubleday invented baseball!
And, Baseball Before We Knew It has a fascinating and convincing chapter on the connection between Doubleday and Spalding, a connection that involves the occult. You'll want to read that one.
So, yeah, it was appealing to the commission to have Abner Graves not be a kook. Perhaps because of this, not one of them actually TALKED to Graves. This is the "bills don't count unless you open the envelope" theory of business. Spalding did write a follow up letter to Graves, an absurdly enthusiastic follow-up letter when he basically PLEADED with Graves to please oh please oh please not be a kook. He wrote: "If the statement therein ... can be verified by some supporting facts or evidence, I feel quite certain it will have great weight with the commission."
Graves responded with a second letter that was, in my humble opinion, even kookier than the first. In this one, Doubleday explained the rule directly to Graves while he was playing marbles. "I remember well Abner Doubleday explaining "base ball" to a lot of us. He was 5 years old at the time.*
*Actually, he may have been six or seven -- Graves wasn't entirely sure what year this happened. It was the commission that decided on 1839.
The various inconsistencies of Graves' letters have been made somewhat famous (though not as famous as the original absurdity that Doubleday invented the game). Doubleday was most definitely at West Point in 1839 and so not in Cooperstown. In his voluminous writings and letters, Doubleday never once mentioned baseball in any form, much less that he invented the sucker which, you know, he might have remembered. There was -- best anyone can tell -- not even one other person who claimed that Abner Doubleday knew anything at all about baseball. And even then, it was well known that Doubleday didn't invent the word "baseball," that there was a game known as baseball long before 1839.
Also, a few years later, Graves shot his wife and lived the remainder of his days in an asylum, though obviously the commission could not have known it at the time (though they might have known he had twice been put in asylums had they bothered to check). Before shooting his wife, Graves talked with reporters and expanded his story into even greater absurdity. And as Block wrote, this came to head in the Graves obituary that appeared in the Denver Post, which stated Graves had played for the first baseball team at Green College in 1840. In the same obituary, it mentioned that Graves was born in 1834. So unless he was like the baby in those e-Trade commercials, the whole thing seems kind of stupid.
The commission, though, had what they wanted -- "proof" that the game was not just American born, but American hero born. Myth is powerful in all histories. Amerigo Vespucci may not have ever been the America named for him. The Declaration of Independence was probably not signed on July 4th. Thanksgiving may or may not go back to the pilgrims (it may have started long before the pilgrims).
"So what?" many will say. We are not celebrating precise history, they will say. That's not the point. The point is we are celebrating something else, something harder to describe, something larger. A feeling. In the end, surely, baseball wasn't invented at all. Surely it evolved over many, many years. But don't call me Shirley -- what's interesting about that?
The commission had their perfect myth -- a war hero in Abner Doubleday, the beautiful village of Cooperstown, a clean beginning. The commission released its finding that Doubleday invented baseball in 1908, and yes within a year a man named Will Irwin completely blew up the the commission's findings in Colliers. Many, many other people blew up the commission's findings. It didn't matter. Doubleday is still known. Cooperstown is home to the Hall of Fame. A strong myth -- especially one that strikes at the heart of patriotism -- will tend to be a lot more powerful than a vague truth.
And, yes, the myth of Abner Doubleday really was about patriotism as much as anything else.
"How any one could contend that a game which is so fast and which requires so much agility and quick thought could be of English origin is hard to understand," they wrote in the Washington Post in celebration of the commission's findings.
"One of the most attractive features," the New York Times wrote of Spalding's Official Guide of 1908, "is the decision of a special commission of the highest authorities declaring the origins of baseball to be strictly American."
"Just in my present mood," Graves finished off his letter to the commission, "I would rather have Uncle Sam declare war on England and clean her up rather than have one of her citizens beat us out of Base Ball."
There are various interesting historical side notes to all this -- for instance, there may have been a DIFFERENT Abner Doubleday, a cousin of the General, who (if you want to give Graves the benefit of doubt, and I'm not sure why you would) may have introduced some new rules and a new name to Cooperstown (though he certainly did not INVENT anything). There is plenty of fascinating stuff if you're interesting in the origins of baseball.
But the larger point is simply this: Abner Doubleday is not the father of baseball. He's not the older brother of baseball. He's not a great uncle of baseball twice removed. He's not related in any way to baseball. No historians disagree on this point. No historians EVER thought he was the father of baseball -- the Mills Commission did not have any historians on it.
And Bud Selig should know this. Maybe he does know this. Whatever, as commissioner of baseball has embarrassed himself with this letter. If Bud Selig has ever spoken to even one historian who believes that Abner Doubleday had anything at all to do with the invention of baseball then he owes it to the world to name the historian so that either:
A. This historian can present evidence that has never been presented.
or
B. Other historians can laugh at this historian at parties.
Of course, Bud doesn't just say there was one historian. He suggests there were many. "Of ALL of the historians" -- he says. Yep, there are apparently many historians out there, a secret society of them who write scholarly papers like "The Great Pumpkin: Linus was right!" and "How Music Boxes Really Work (The Tiny Little Ballerina Theory)". And these historians divulge their evidence to the commissioner that Abner Doubleday did indeed invent baseball no matter what anyone says.
I like Bud Selig. I really do. I like him so much, that I make this offer: Bud, if you ever find yourself in this sort of position, where you are debating whether or not to tell someone that he thinks Abner Doubleday is the father of baseball, just call me. Really. I'll tell you my honest opinion about what you should do. In this case, my advice would have been: Uh, really, don't.
The great thing about the past, is that it was long ago enough, you just get to pick the outcome you like best. (Also applies to the present)
ReplyDeleteNot that I can really judge. http://metsfanfiction.blogspot.com/
ReplyDeleteA good poll question would be: given that the Doubleday story is a myth, where should the Hall of Fame be? (By the way, I'm not saying the Hall should move; Cooperstown a wonderful place. I just wonder where an appropriate locale would be if the myth had never gained steam to the point that the Hall was placed there).
ReplyDeleteFunny, Doubleday's obituary from the New York Times in 1893 didn't mention anything about baseball. You'd think they would have thrown it in there somewhere.
ReplyDeleteIf not in cooperstown, the baseball hall of fame should be in cincinnati. The 1869 Red Stocking were no myth.
ReplyDeleteIn our house, the Easter Bunny was definitely in the big three with Santa and the Tooth Fairy in terms of bursting kids' bubbles. In fact, once the Santa news had to be delivered we decided to drop the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy bombs at the same time. Call it the "pull all the band-aids off at once" theory of parenting. Actually worked pretty well for us.
ReplyDeleteThe "other" Abner Doubleday lived in Ostego, New York and would have been ten years old in 1839. The "hero" Abner Doubleday would have been nineteen but he was in either West Point or NYC during the time frame.
ReplyDeleteUm... can't the term "father of baseball" be a lyrical term, like George Washington being the "father of our country"? Far as I know he didn't literally sire it.
ReplyDeleteYeah, it's more of a stretch, but when you look at the history of baseball storytelling, it's not a stretch to give Doubleday such a title (despite his non-involvement) because of the associations.
I can't believe Bud was going for anything other than that, and I find it odd that nobody seems to be reading it the way I did.
No Santa Claus?
ReplyDeleteI wish you would tell me Bud Selig as commisioner was a myth too, Mr. Church.
I love Joe, but who cares? He is a great writer who even makes this nonsense fun to read, but it has no purpose.
ReplyDeleteJoe also does not provide an alternative to Abner Doubleday. So, I say, until Joe comes up with a better answer, I going with Abner. The guy risked his life on the battlefield at Gettysburg and other places to save the union and free the slaves. I doubt there is a better person to honor, so let's stick with Abner.
Besides, while I have not had the occasion to listen to Cardinal ballgames in recent years, I used to love it when Mike Shannon would react to the clean up hitter coming up in a key spot with two outs in the 9th by saying, "Old Abner Doubleday has done it again."
So count me with Abner.
I think baseball was invented by Noah, who was killing time waiting for the rain to stop.
ReplyDeleteThis post has the theme of the last one, "Upsetting." As Joe says there, "We want very much to believe in what sounds good. This is true of sports. This is true of life too."
ReplyDeleteSometimes, though, getting things RIGHT matters. Perceiving Vietnam incorrectly in 1964 cost us (and the Vietnamese) a LOT. Believing the voodoo economics myth of the Laffer curve in 1980 has raised the national debt from less than a trillion to 7 or 13 trillion, depending. At least McNamara and Stockman told the truth when they came to understand it. But Iraq? WS/bank deregulation?
Since sticking to the verifiable truth REALLY matters sometimes, it's safer to insist on that standard all the time.
I just read that, two years following its untimely death, FireJoeMorgan.com has seen its dream come true. I went there to see if they had written anything, but no, still dead (probably out celebrating). Since in my mind Joe's Blog is the best successor to FJM, I thought I'd make a comment here.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair to slide rules, they were still in fairly common use in the early 1970's. Calculators were pretty rare.
ReplyDeleteThere's a plaque at Rugby School in England which reads –
ReplyDeleteTHIS STONE
COMMEMORATES THE EXPLOIT OF
WILLIAM WEBB ELLIS
WHO WITH A FINE DISREGARD FOR THE RULES OF FOOTBALL
AS PLAYED IN HIS TIME
FIRST TOOK THE BALL IN HIS ARMS AND RAN WITH IT
THUS ORIGINATING THE DISTINCTIVE FEATURE OF
THE RUGBY GAME
A.D. 1823
Unfortunately, the whole story that Ellis invented the game of rugby rests, like Graves' case, on a letter written after the death of the main character. It is, undoubtedly, a myth.
Nevertheless, the administrators of the game, when they came to name the trophy to be presented to the winners of their world championship, designated it the Webb Ellis Cup.
Didn't baseball start when someone a really long time ago thought it would be fun to hit rocks with a stick?
ReplyDeleteBoy, am I naive - I was under the impression that the William Webb Ellis story was well-authenticated and true.
ReplyDeleteI can only speak for myself, but I would not want to believe in or perpetuate something was not true. I don't understand the, "Well, it's a nice story, so I'm sticking with it" mentality. It goes back to the introduction- the Tooth Fairy is a nice story. I wonder, Do you believe in that, too?
ReplyDeleteI can't wait to see Bud campaigning for General Doubleday's enshrinement to the Hall of Fame.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he can go in with Steinbrenner.
"I love Joe, but who cares? He is a great writer who even makes this nonsense fun to read, but it has no purpose.
ReplyDeleteJoe also does not provide an alternative to Abner Doubleday. So, I say, until Joe comes up with a better answer, I going with Abner. The guy risked his life on the battlefield at Gettysburg and other places to save the union and free the slaves. I doubt there is a better person to honor, so let's stick with Abner."
Kansas City, your profile says you're a lawyer. I certainly hope you display a little more proof, logic, and reading comprehension in your cases than what you are showing here.
Oh, and the alternative is Alexander Cartwright (mentioned in Selig's letter above):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Cartwright
As long as we're at it, it's worth repeating that Jack Benny's "I'm thinking it over" did NOT produce the longest laugh in the history of radio, or the history of TV, or the history of Jack Benny.
ReplyDeleteTwo things:
ReplyDeleteOne, the Laffer Curve does exist. A basic logic exercise would demonstrate that. The issue with Republican use of the Laffer Curve is that they always assume the optimization point is below the current level of taxation. Convenient, huh? I've never actually seen a practical demonstration of where it falls for the American economy, but I'm fairly convinced by theoretical modeling of it.
Two, Joe says he likes Bud because he's a rich and powerful figure who desperately wants other people to like him. Another guy in baseball who fits that description is Alex Rodriguez, who, from everything I've read, does genuinely want everybody to like him. From reading Joe's work, I get the feeling he does not like Alex Rodriguez. I know this looks like I'm just being an obnoxious douche-bag Yankee fan, but I really am curious as to why Joe likes Bud but not A-Rod.
James K @ 7:34
ReplyDelete"Boy, am I naive - I was under the impression that the William Webb Ellis story was well-authenticated and true."
I might have been a bit over the top with my complete dismissal as there is a possibility that a kernel of truth exists somewhere in the William Webb Ellis story. And it's nowhere as far removed from the truth as the Doubleday claim is.
But, for all that, it would never stand up in court.
Joe:
ReplyDeleteThere are still people who still collect bottle caps. I have a friend who just got married on Halloween, and part of the couple's eclectic gift of various things was a bottle cap I was pretty sure he didn't have in his collection.
I used to collect them - and some other odd things - as a kid,in addition to the more mainstream baseball/football cards & coins.
I haven't commented in a while but wow "Kansas City" just....wow.
ReplyDeleteYeah... well, that was mildly interesting.
ReplyDeleteCan we now get back to important things and push people in, or kick people out of, the HoF?
By the way, I'm anxiously waiting for you Vizquel post.
Alexander Cartwright was more of a Johnny Appleseed of baseball, spreading a set of rules that are relatively recognizable as baseball. Most games in those days didn't have organized or set rules; their development was important to the spread of baseball, cricket, football, soccer, rugby and boxing.
ReplyDeleteOn the English origins, see http://www.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/01/lords.museum.baseball.cricket/index.html
There were primitive bat-and-ball games in many different European cultures; perhaps the first to be`picked up by the upper classes and to develop organized rules was tennis.
ReplyDeleteChildren all over Britain and British North America basically did hit rocks in cow pastures for fun. Then when they were about twelve they went to work on the farm.
But in the years after 1815 there was an economic boom in America, fueled by the end of the Embargo. New York was a special beneficiary due to the opening of the Erie Canal, and it became the major port and commercial center on the East Coast.
Young men of ambition began to move from the farms to the city to get jobs as clerks, accountants, and all the necessary white-collar jobs that have to be done in commercial and government bureaucracies. They had free time on their hands and energy to spare because they weren't shoveling $#!+ for sixteen hours a day.
So they'd get together and play sports, primitive football and primitive bat-and-ball, as they had when they were kids in little towns or on farms. This movement was encouraged by the social authorities, churches and schools, who were promoting "muscular Christianity" -- stay fit, be healthy, don't spend your time in saloons and bordellos, develop your body to serve Christ and your country, go to the (soon-to-be-founded) YMCA instead, be like the (soon-to-be-created) Frank Merriwell.
What happened is that everybody played by his own town's rules and this got confusing. So in 1846 Henry Chadwick sat down and wrote up a set of rules that everybody could agree to. Maybe someone had done it before, but Chadwick's organized rules are the first ones we know of. Pretty soon there were different sets of rules in Massachussetts and Philadelphia as well, as well as a set of rules for "town ball".
During the Civil War, men from all over the country were mixed together for the first time in American history, and the city men from the Northeast brought their baseball rules with them. Soldiers have plenty of free time, and officers encouraged them to play sports instead of drinking, gambling, and whoring.
Chadwick's New York rules won out, and the 1869 Cincinnati Red Stockings played a more developed version of the game. There were further changes in the rules, some of them drastic, established during the era of the National Association and then the pre-1901 National League.
So, ironically, organized baseball is an urban sport originally played by middle-class office workers, and spread through war.
I'm wrong. Alexander Cartwright was the guy who first wrote out a set of rules. Henry Chadwick was the newspaperman who publicized them. Chadwick also invented the modern system of scoring.
ReplyDeletee said:
ReplyDeleteIn Hoboken New Jersey there is a boulder in the ground with a plaque. The plaque says that this is the spot where the first baseball game was played.
I have always doubted its authenticity. But, who knows?
Of all my inventions I'm surprised the bottle cap proved to be the most popular collectible. I favor the passenger-train safety ejection seat.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous: That is based on the first Cartwright game.
ReplyDeleteGraphite: Oh, I know nothing about rugby; the few sources where I had heard the story simply presented it as fact, so I trusted them. Probably Englishmen who have heard the Doubleday story believe it! (Actually, more likely not, since they aware of cricket and their other own bat-and-ball games that predate baseball).
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteHoboken was the site of the first verified game of baseball under something resembling modern rules, in 1845. Similar games under similar rules were being played around that time, we just don't have the records of those games. The New York Knickerbockers, who organized that game, were the first official baseball club, and thus the first to keep records.
And to answer the previous question about alternate HOF locations, Hoboken would be my suggestion. Cincinnati would be a good choice, too. However, even without the Doubleday myth there is something perfect about Cooperstown as the "official" site of the birth of baseball. Even though it truly was a "city" game played by the beginnings of the middle-class, it has always had the rural, small-town connections that we think of when we think of the game.
@James K (and others)
ReplyDeleteGames resembling football, in all of its forms, have been played for centuries in locations around the world: from entire towns in Europe playing with animal bladders as balls, to Mayans famously using the heads of previous losers. Some involved using whatever methods you could to get the ball to the goal, others were restricted.
Those games eventually became more codified and organized into what would be considered "football" through the 1800s, at which point the game split into Association football (soccer), and the Rugby football family which further split into Australian-, Canadian-, and American-rules football.
I'm sure this story is just as questionable as all the other theories, but there is evidence that the first baseball game was played in Ontario.
ReplyDeletehttp://new.baseballhalloffame.ca/museum/inductees/first-recorded-baseball-game/
Monkeys invented baseball, in the Middle Ages. There is proof:
ReplyDeletehttp://gotmedieval.blogspot.com/2010/10/fourteenth-century-monkey-baseball.html
BTW - the first image on the page is on the cover of Baseball Before We Knew It, which is a great book.
The alternative is not Cartwright, not really, but "In the end, surely, baseball wasn't invented at all. Surely it evolved over many, many years." How could a plaque ever decry the first game of baseball? Before that can be done, there would need to be a definition of the game of baseball, which has evolved over centuries. By some measure, it would be truer to say Bowie Kuhn invented baseball in 1973, when he implemented the DH rule.
ReplyDeleteYou want to believe a bunch of historians? A bunch of academics who are trying to push their liberal agenda? Historians who never created a single job in their entire lives?
ReplyDeleteI personally believe AG Mills - war veteran, patriot, businessman, job creator. The last thing our country needed at that time in our history was a bunch of America-hating historians with their so-called evidence.
I wouldn't give a nickel for all the history in the world. History is more or less bunk...especially the Edsel, and steroids (so says my friend B. Selig.
ReplyDeleteThe irony is that actual baseball historians don't debate whether it was Doubleday or Cartwright who founded baseball. They debate what, if any, role Cartwright played. Doubleday simply isn't in the picture.
ReplyDeleteCartwright unquestionably was an early player, and a founding member of the Knickerbocker club in 1845. He possibly even was key to its founding. The Knickerbockers were not, contrary to conventional wisdom, the first baseball club. Nor do they seem to have created the first written rules (which is not at all the same thing as having created the oldest written rules which survived to this day).
As for the Johnny Appleseed of Baseball bit, that is based on a doctored transcript of his journal. It is pure puffery, to be nice; or pure fraud, to be less nice.
For a clear-eyed look at Cartwright, see Monica Nucciarone's "Alexander Cartwright: The Life Behind the Baseball Legend".
On a different note, I think Abner Graves gets a bit of a bad rap. If you read his original letter to the Mills Commission, it is not pure fancy. It has three elements: (1) he was taught baseball as a young boy by an older boy of the village, (2) the older boy was Abner Doubleday, and (3) Doubleday had invented the game.
ReplyDelete(1) is entirely plausible. Older boys have taught baseball, and other games, to younger boys since time immemorial. The description Graves gives of the game is mostly plausible for pre-modern baseball. I don't doubt the account is essentially true in this respect.
(2) is open to question. Graves is not as specific about the date as was the Mills Commission, so the question of Doubleday being at West Point is really beside the point. On the other hand, Doubleday was the local hero. I suspect that all sorts of stories accrued to him. (Suppose you played high school baseball with Ryan Howard. Suppose also that one or your teammates once hit a towering home run. Suppose finally that it was Joe Schlebotnik who hit this towering home run. What are the odds that it was Ryan Howard who did this in the retelling?)
(3) is clearly wrong, but this isn't entirely Graves' fault. Really, how would the little kid know one way or the other if this game he was just taught was new? But in 1905 talk of the invention of baseball was in the air. It isn't surprising that Graves' boyhood memory got converted into an invention story.
There is a considerable body of late-19th century recollections of early baseball. Strip away the 'invention' stuff and Graves' letter fits very comfortably in this pattern.
I want to thank David of Toledo for again needlessly injecting his leftist political views into a non-political discussion.
ReplyDeleteGive it a rest, please.
Bud's not advocating anything weirder than what people are expected to accept in any religion, and since baseball kind of wants to be a religion, they may as well set up some interesting myths. You could do worse than Cooperstown, say, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, for example. At least the rules weren't written on tablets someplace.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I could certainly see baseball milking it's history further. There could be another museum in Hoboken which concerns itself with the origins, various rule changes, and characters of the game who weren't necessarily notable enough or eligible to be in the Hall Of Fame. There's way too much stuff to be displayed in Cooperstown properly, I'm sure, maybe the HOF can concentrate on the records and great achievements in the sport, while Hoboken displays the character and strategies of the game and how they've evolved.
ReplyDeleteI suppose that next Joe will say that Abraham Lincoln's final words before he died were not "Abner, don't let baseball die."
ReplyDeleteThe question of "who invented baseball" is not exactly a key historical question in the manner of "who started the Cold War." I accept that Abner Doubleday did not invent baseball but, really, who cares? I doubt there was a single inventor; the Wright Brothers may have had the first plane that flew but people had been working a flying for many years. I suspect the same with baseball.
ReplyDeleteMore importantly, I'm glad to see Joe defend Bud Selig's character. He seems to be so savaged among the press and cognoscenti of fandom that you would think he was planning to eliminate baseball for his own satisfaction. But seems like a decent guy, who has made mistakes but tried to do his best. Why does he get roasted in a way that Roger Goodell does not? Bud has done many things I don't like, such as having WS home field determined by the All Star game. And maybe he made mistakes with respect to steroids. But I don't get the almost visceral hatred that people seem to have for this guy.
I've got good news and bad news.
ReplyDeleteThe good news is that Joe Poz has written a long blog post about you.
The bad news is that he starts by saying that you're a great guy and he likes you a lot.
Does it really matter who invented baseball? Obviously the English have no interest in it, it's still a purely American sport (plus the central americas and japan, i guess). Regardless, IT'S OURS. Who cares where it came from, we made it what it is today and we love it.
ReplyDeleteThe Mills Commission came around when Americans were afraid of losing their culture, as Ellis Island was flooded with immigrants that were seen as a threat.
It was a different time. Oh wait...
Did you guys hear about the ghost of the kid in the background on Three Men and a Baby? SPOOKY!!!
ReplyDeletePaul White said...
ReplyDelete"In our house, the Easter Bunny was definitely in the big three with Santa and the Tooth Fairy in terms of bursting kids' bubbles. In fact, once the Santa news had to be delivered we decided to drop the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy bombs at the same time. Call it the "pull all the band-aids off at once" theory of parenting. Actually worked pretty well for us."
Two things (as I will be a first-time parent of twins in May):
1. a.) Is it necessary to install the belief in the first place?
b.) If so, is it to avoid a guaranteed confrontation with other parents who decided that such BS should be the norm?
2. If 2b is the case, how do you maintain the myth when another kid may spill the beans, and how do you keep your kid from tipping the can of said legumes?
There is an ongoing discussion/heated argument with the wife and I about whether or not we should raise a child to believe in such nonsense as Santa/fairies/humanoid rabbits. I say no, as there is not going to be a religious affiliation to back it up. She (and my mom) say it's less to do with religion/Christianity and more to do with a general family tradition...
Argh! I don't know...
"Goin to Kansas City" re-written for poster Kansas City.
ReplyDeleteI'm goin' to Kansas City,
Stick my head 'neath the sand.
I'm goin' to Kansas City,
Stick my head 'neath the sand.
Pull the wool over my eyes and
Let me sleep knowing all is grand...
Ah, but wasn't Abner Doubleday a forefather of Nelson Doubleday, former Mets owner, who drafted Shawn Abner? Then after that, he drafted Billy Beane, who invented Moneyball? So using Bat-logic, can we not deduce that Abner Doubleday didn't invent baseball in the 19th century, but rather in the 21st?
ReplyDeleteI like the fact or idea that the game of baseball or other similar games were encouraged by officers during the Civil War to keep the men occupied rather than drinking, gambling and whoring. Not until the game of baseball became "professional" did those activities then come to be associated directly with the game and its players!
ReplyDeleteI guess this doesn't help with the debate one way or another, but Bob Newhart's take on how selling the game of baseball might have gone down is darn funny.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLW37s1IQPw
A few comments. First, I certainly think the legislature of South Carolina should get a hearty thank you for the spread of baseball throughout the US, for without their actions after the election in 1860, baseball may never had become so widely popular. (this falls under the category that every cloud has a silver lining)
ReplyDeleteSecond, regarding Bud's letter. Given Bud's penchant for wanting to be liked, is it that shocking that he wrote a letter to perhaps the #1 proponent of Abner Doubleday as Father of Baseball stating exactly what that person wanted to hear? I think not. He was saying what his audience in that particular case wanted to hear. And another letter to someone else might very well say something different. People who desperately want to be liked often state completely opposite things to two different people because they know that is what the listener wants to hear.
Finally, Rational Fan, I suggest that instead of allowing your children the magic of Xmas for just a short period of their long lives, you should teach them to shout "Bah Humbug" in the faces of their kindegarten classmates when those classmates talk excitedly about being visited by Santa Clause.
Brent
@Rational fan
ReplyDeleteOk, here's what you do. Tell one of your twins the truth and the other keep up the Myth. Do this until the Myth one figures it out on his/he own. Then into adulthood if one is screwed up and the other isn't, then you could blame it on the way you handeled the myth situation.
Ok maybe not. Simply speaking, I don't think you are harming them (but what do I know) by having them believe, and I do think you will miss out on witnessing the wonderment and pure excitement if you treat it like just another day, like their birthday, where they get presents.
Now, if you want to save some major cash by not doing the gift thing at all, I'm with you.
@Rational Fan --
ReplyDeleteDon't teach your kids any nonsense of any kind, including (especially) religion. Focus on things like:
truth
evidence
reason
deduction
democracy
and they will grow up to be much happier and saner adults than if you fill their heads with garbage of any kind.
I mean, look what happened to Clueless Bud Selig. He still wants to (or, worse, does) believe in fairy tales.
More importantly, I'm glad to see Joe defend Bud Selig's character. He seems to be so savaged among the press and cognoscenti of fandom that you would think he was planning to eliminate baseball for his own satisfaction. But seems like a decent guy, who has made mistakes but tried to do his best. Why does he get roasted in a way that Roger Goodell does not?
ReplyDeleteGoodell doesn't perjure himself before Congress in an attempt to win labor disputes?
@David in NYC
ReplyDeleteYes, by all means, turn them into an adult as soon as they leave the womb. Childhoods are for losers.
And I leave you with these words of wisdom from none other than the late, great, John Candy, as Uncle Buck:
" I don't think I want to know a six-year-old who isn't a dreamer, or a sillyheart. And I sure don't want to know one who takes their student career seriously. I don't have a college degree. I don't even have a job. But I know a good kid when I see one. Because they're ALL good kids, until dried-out, brain-dead skags like you drag them down and convince them they're no good. You so much as scowl at my niece, or any other kid in this school, and I hear about it, and I'm coming looking for you!
Take this quarter, go downtown, and have a rat gnaw that thing off your face! Good day to you, madam. "
And there, in a nutshell, is both the glory and hubris of America. Nationalism and American exceptionalism have both driven us to greatness and torn us apart. As we can see in today's political environment, facts don't matter if you know you're right.
ReplyDeleteI feel quite foolish and naive at the moment--I'd never heard that the story of Abner Doubleday inventing baseball was anything other than fact. Thank you for setting me straight!
ReplyDeleteCome to think of it, I feel certain that Doubleday-invented-baseball actually made it into one of my childhood social studies textbooks. Maybe these are the "historians" Bud refers to?
It also could be a regional thing, since I hail from upstate NY.
@rational fan
ReplyDeleteI think it would be impossible to explain to a child why Santa doesn't exist, when all their other friends just know he does. You're going to raise some mightily confused and skeptical children.
How did an innocuous little fluff piece turn into a series of combox screeds about politics and religion? For Bert's sake, people. What was it about this that made you say, gee, I can have a go at Congress or Jesus or patriotism or what-have-you? It's not like Poz started by saying, "You know, I have to say, I like President Obama..." There is NOTHING here except the history of the game of baseball, and using it to "score" against one's own favorite hobby-horses is irritating. If you're that monomaniacal start your own damn blog.
ReplyDeleteMy husband is a direct descendant of Abner Doubleday and HE doesn't believe in the Doubleday-baseball myth. Nor did anyone in the family.
ReplyDelete@ nightflyblog,
ReplyDeleteI agree completely, the discussion has gotten way off topic in a uniquely stupid way. It's not only monomaniacal but megalomaniacal.
If you folks insist on tracking mud onto the carpet, I'm going to have to ask you to leave.
Seems we should all just agree that Derek Jeter is All Male Ancestors of Baseball Incarnate and Eternal (In Addition to Being the Greatest Ten Players Ever), With Maybe an Assist from Cal Ripken Who After All Single-Handedly Saved Baseball.
ReplyDelete@nightflyblog and Colin
ReplyDeleteHope you folks don't lump me in with maniacs. The last part of my comment was intended to be a joke about nationalism... def. not any real political stance.
I agree, WTF does this have to do with the Republican use of the Laffer Curve of perceptions of Vietnam?
@ nightflyblog
ReplyDeleteAmen...uh, well, you know, great point.
I enjoyed Joe's take,and the usually rational BR comments are confusing. But it has been an interesting read all the way around.
Gaines
You mean Derek Jeter the All Male Ancestor of Baseball Incarnate who Won the Gold Glove Again for Some Unknown Reason?
ReplyDeleteRational Fan, I can’t speak as a parent, but I can give some insight as a kid who was never told about Santa, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy (I assume that you’d want to know how it turned out from the kid’s perspective, too?). I remember being told to draw a picture of Santa in kindergarten and thinking I must have missed something the day I was out sick because I had no idea who he was. I always thought I missed out. It didn’t scar me for life, mind you, but I always thought my folks made a mistake there.
ReplyDeleteAnon, you are welcome. I had nothing to add to this thread until I looked at the comments.
ReplyDeleteTwo prior of those, mildly critical of Joe, said, in effect, "I believe in Truthiness. Since we're entitled to our own opinions, we can choose own facts, too. Or pay no attention to the facts [as Joe ably set them out]."
We've had WAY more than we need of Truthiness.
Now, back to baseball. Ted Simmons and Tommy John. (Just an opinion; what's yours?)
All I know is I still believe in Santa Claus.
ReplyDeleteWhy not?
What an odd thread. A little lighthearted comment by me, mostly saying it doesn'[t matter who invented baseball, gets ripped like we are talking about the existence of God.
ReplyDeleteOkay, Joe's right and Doubleday did not invent baseball. And, to the jerk who blasted my reading comprehension, no, Joe did not identify who he thought invented baseball. And, the guy above is right who said no one "invented" it because it just evolved through the years of kids having fun.
AND, AS A FAN, I'M STILL GOING TO THINK "OLD ABNER DOUBLEDAY HAD DONE IT AGAIN," WHENEVER A CRUCIAL SITUATION COMES UP IN THE BOTTOM OF THE 9TH.
And, for those who have not been there, Cooperstown is a wonderful town to be designated the birthplace of baseball.
“History is a set of lies agreed upon.”
ReplyDeleteNapoleon
The Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy, never had much cache in my big happy family. But Santa Claus continues to visit every Dec. 25. It's like magic because we *choose* to believe.
Perhaps Selig, being a baseball romantic, chooses to believe Abner Doubleday invented baseball even though he knows in his heart of hearts it was the Russians:)
First, congradulations to Derek Jeter on his fifth Gold Glove :)
ReplyDeleteNow..rational fan...man , you have a dilemna.
I'll tell you a little story. I'll be brief I promise.
Four score and seven years ago...I grew up in a charming little red neck town. My family was the only family that wasnt Christian. As far as I knew, it was all good.
Until one day in kindergarten some fat bleep with a fake beard shows up. All my classmates sat in his lap and told him what they wanted.
When my turn came , I refused to sit in his lap. The teacher --whose name escapes me -- kept selling me to sit on his lap. She was persistent bordering on insistent. The result was a little five year old fit.
During this fit , I proceeded to tell the entire class that there is no such thing as Santa. There are no flying reindeer. There is no fat guy at the North Pole. There are elves but I dont think they like the cold. Plus, its impossible to fly all around the world in one night on a sleigh. That would take at least a week. And, how the heck is he gonna fit down a chimney?
The evidence was overwhelming. My presentation was passionate. The whole class started crying. Santa called me an asshole.
Its kindergarten , so its a half day , and everyone gets picked up at noon. All the parents one by one wanna ask their crying kid whats wrong. One after another they all ratted me out.
These parents were pissed. Beyond pissed. I had about ten grownups fly into a rage in my face.
What kind of man yells at a five year old that isnt his son?? The same kinda man that hunts down 70 year old men for yelling at him when he was five. Phew, Im glad I aint that guy.
Anyway, it was an event that changed my life and shaped me into the bum I am today :)
I've flashbacked to that day maybe two dozen times in my life. The fear I felt grabs me. The twisted expressions of rage on these otherwise kind peoples faces still scares me. I thought they were gonna kill me.
And everytime I think about that day , I think and feel I should have kept my mouth shut. As an adult I often feel tremendous guilt over the flippant and irreverent way I treated those dumb ass rednecks. Most of them were good people. And most of the miscommunications originated with me. I should of sat on Santa's lap , played the game, and told him to bring me a speak and spell.
It wasnt until I read your post five minutes ago that I realized I might have done some of those parents a favor. Ungrateful bleepers never thanked me.
The moral to the story is...well, Im not sure there is one. But, if people want to believe Abner Doubleday invented baseball...I dont see the harm in allowing them to believe that. Right or wrong.
Congrats with the twins. According to my Dad, right up until they start talking are the best years of your life.
I want not only to explain (done) but to apologize.
ReplyDeleteI'll (try to) keep political analogies to myself.
Rational Fan
ReplyDeleteWhen Christmas comes and your offspring are at an age to enjoy it, buy an aluminium pole and place it, unadorned by presents, in your living room.
Do not indulge in any special treats in the way of food or decorations. Instead, harangue your family with a diatribe of how much of a disappointment they've all been to you over the past year.
When people ask if you celebrate Christmas, you can tell them no, you celebrate "Festivus, a festival for the rest of us".
With acknowledgements to Frank Costanza.
People! Did everyone here miss the key point? Bud Selig's real name is Allan H. Selig.....HA HA! (That last part is to be read in the voice of Nelson from the Simpsons).
ReplyDeleteJust a minute. Just a minute.
ReplyDeleteEveryone knows that Baseball was invented when that guy, I forget his name, hit a ball into the red sea and parted the waters, immediately sides were chosen and the DH walked across the water to the bullpen and selected 72 virgins to act as cheerleaders. The game ended when the waters subsided and a pure white dove flew down and scored the winning run.
Am I the only one who knows this?
Don't get the visceral hatred for Bud? Remember the 1994 World Series?
ReplyDeleteTelling kids the truth about Santa: remember what happened to Natalie Wood, although it turned out all right in the end: she got her house, and Mom married that nice Uncle Fred. And they all believed in the funny old man with the beard.
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