Been putting together a few quick baseball thoughts -- was going to throw them together into one massive blog post. But then I thought that it would make me look so much more productive if I separated them and posted them throughout the day. So that's what I'll do. We start with the Murray Chass saga.
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"Tom Verducci wrote in his SI.com blog that contrary to what I wrote, he voted for (Marvin) Miller. I have no first-hand knowledge of that fact any more than I had of my reporting that he didn’t vote for Miller. The Hall of Fame does not disclose how its committee members vote. However, in this instance I will take Verducci’s word."
-- Blogger Murray Chass
I think we have all learned to appreciate the art of the apology in sports over the last few years. Lord knows we have had to hear a bunch of them. But I have to give it up to Murray Chass, a New York-based blogger, for inventing something that seems kind of new and promising: The snide apology.
Last week, Chass blogged with "no first-hand knowledge" that my colleague Tom Verducci did not vote Marvin Miller into the Hall of Fame. He was thisclose to being right -- if only he had left out the word "not." Chass was apparently told this bit of falsehood by Miller himself, though Chass fully understood that Miller had had no more first-hand knowledge than he did. Also Miller is 93 years old, and he's been through this absurd Hall of Fame ringer a few times, and he undoubtedly had some powerful emotions going. Miller has since apologized directly to Verducci. Chass has since blogged six paragraphs under the subhead "My Personal Journalism Lesson."
I should say before getting into Chass' lesson, that in the original post he did not just blog that Verducci was one of five Miller no-votes. He also blogged in detail about WHY Tom did not vote for Miller, throwing in this perky little judgment: "I’m not sure what Verducci, the Sports Illustrated writer, thought of Miller, but I know he didn’t think much of the job Miller had. When Verducci covered baseball for Newsday, the Long Island daily, he hated covering baseball labor. And when he did cover it, he wasn’t very good at it."
Lovely. Now, Chass was obviously emotional about Miller missing the Hall of Fame -- it seems that before he was a New York based blogger he spent some time working in the mainstream media and covered Miller. I fully understand this and actually feel empathy for his feelings. I was extremely emotional when a Negro Leagues committee did not vote Buck O'Neil into the Hall of Fame (but voted in 17 long-deceased players and executives). Still, to call someone by name without proof is not just a violation of journalistic ethics, it is a disgusting thing to do.
And then -- there's this pathetic non-apology. It's funny, I was over at Baseball Think Factory reading a few comments, and a couple of people actually PRAISED Chass for this absurdity, actually thought he took responsibility for his journalistic atrocity. Are you kidding me? Have our standards fallen so far that THIS excuse for an apology can be viewed by anyone as taking responsibility? Tom Verducci went to the Hall of Fame, asked them if he could go public with his vote to clear his name, and then said publicly he voted for Miller. And Chass STILL blogs that he has "no first hand knowledge of the fact any more than I had reporting that he didn't vote for Miller?" WHAT? You have Tom Verducci's first-hand statement RIGHT THERE. He is the MAN WHO VOTED. He's TELLING YOU what he did. And Chass is now blogging to us that he did "reporting" before to find that Tom didn't vote for Miller? Last I heard, what Chass did isn't called reporting. It's called "assassination of character."
But at least "in this instance" he will take Tom's word. Bloody decent of him.
Later, while Chass admits that his reporting was shoddy, he makes clear that it's the first time he's EVER done shoddy reporting. Really. First time ever. At first he says that 99.9% of the time he reported with great fervor and ethics but he immediately makes it 100%. He has not been shoddy even one out of a thousand times. Yep, this is the very first time he has ever done anything like this, which, you know, is kind of funny because barely two weeks ago Chass blogged that Texas manager Ron Washington's explanation that he used cocaine for the first time "defied credibility, but everyone bought it, never questioning the likelihood of a 57-year-old man using cocaine for the first time and being tested randomly at just that time." Apparently, everyone is now supposed to buy that Chass, a man in his 70s, has for the very first time in his life "taken a shortcut."
And what caused him to break from his perfect 100% record as a reporter? His words: "I was unable to (check reporting) because I was out of the country on vacation with no access to information, such as telephone numbers or e-mail addresses, for people who might have known." As a father, I am growing used to hearing lame excuses. But I would hope that my nine-year-old, at least, would have already known not to use something that lame. If Chass was out of the country and on vacation, he shouldn't have blogged his false post in the first place. And the only email that seems to matter to me is Tom Verducci's -- and that one's not hard to find.
I'm not saying this was the worst apology of the last few years because there have been some doozies. I'm just saying that it's a good thing most bloggers have higher journalistic ethics than Blogger Chass.
Circle me put out to pasture ...
ReplyDeleteNicely done, someone needed to say it. Chass is an embarrassment.
ReplyDeleteJoe,
ReplyDeleteI believe that this is the first time I've ever seen you write in anger.
Having read first the terrible accusation and then that odious "apology", I can only say one thing.
Bravo!
I enjoyed how you repeatedly called him a "Blogger" as if it was a pejorative as Chass thinks.
ReplyDeleteI love it - and I love that you repeatedly call him a blogger when he's made it known he hates that term.
ReplyDeleteMurray Chass, for whatever he might have contributed to baseball in the past, has been a joke for years. Now, he's a joke without ethics.
It seems out of character for Joe to write a post like this without a lengthy preface along the lines of, "I like Murray, I really do..."
ReplyDeleteComment on the poll--- the MLB All-Star game isn't really a one day event anymore.
ReplyDeleteFWIW, neither is Daytona, and for open wheel fans the Indy 500 is really a month long event.
Everyone please read the first paragraph of the about page at murraychass.com to see how utterly ridiculous this man is.
ReplyDeleteBravo! Now let's see him dismiss Mr. Posnanski like he has other "bloggers" who have put him down in the recent past.
ReplyDeleteNailed it, Joe.
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ReplyDeleteThe first sentence of his Wikipedia page begins "Murray Chass was a New York sports journalist"
ReplyDeleteJoe, been reading you for years. Fully expected this to be a forgiving tale of the challenges of modern journalism, with a few directed but qualified swipes at Chass and 8000 words about how hard it is for some 'journalists' to transition into a new media...
ReplyDeleteHowever, you've made my morning. A rip like this really packs a punch when you keep them three years apart.
What is the solution to improve the journalistic standards out there in the blog world?
ReplyDeleteWe have a mix of true journalists like Joe, aspiring writers who want to do things the right way, writers like Chass who should know better, and bloggers that don't have a clue and don't care.
Is there anything out there to help educate the aspiring and good intentioned bloggers who don't have some of the basic journalism skills?
Joe, every one of your criticisms is about the ACT, not the PERSON. That's an important distinction that makes me take your views even more seriously than I already do (you've already earned my respect with your thoughtful writing).
ReplyDeleteFlock of...cahdinals?
ReplyDeleteRany tweeted about it.
ReplyDeleteJoe blogged about it.
Tom editorialized it.
Does this mean we can stop talking about a blogger no one cares about who wrote a post about a 93 year old man no one who reads blogs knows about?
Of the approximately 2,735 topics on your upcoming blog list, this one ranks 2734th.
I am excited for the rest of your MLB posts, however!
Thanks Joe! Will be sharing this with everyone I know.
ReplyDeleteDon't ever change!
FJM are rolling in their blogosphere graves.
ReplyDeleteJoe, thanks for writing this. People like you are the future of sports journalism. Keep up the great work!
ReplyDeleteSigh...Chass is so out of touch and filled with his own self-importance. In that same blog post he quoted Pat Gillick about the importance of scouting where Gillick stated that both scouting and advanced statistical analysis were important. Right there in Gillick's own words "So I think you have to use both." he says.
ReplyDeleteBut Chass only sees and reads what he wants to hear. He focuses on Gillick's comments that stressed the importance of scouting and those comments were "music to his ears". Because, "It takes scouts to identify those intangibles. No computer program can spot them." Take that, statheads! Harumph, harumph, harumph.
Meanwhile, I've never heard anyone deny the importance of scouting. It's one tool and advanced statistics can be another. Why not use all the tools in your toolbox for the job? Chass doesn't get it. Or know how to write a decent apology.
@steak - Baseball fans SHOULD know who Marvin Miller is, even if he's 93, and even if they are in their twenties. History matters.
ReplyDeleteI like how you refer to Chass as a "blogger", since he was vehemently anti-blogger when he was soiling the good name of the New York Times.
ReplyDeleteHis shining moment was when he said the Red Sox had to win the AL East in 2005 in order to validate their 2004 World Series title. Pure genius.
That Murray Chass is a little ray of sunshine...
ReplyDelete"Disgusting" is a strong word.
ReplyDeleteIf Joe wants to stand by his colleague Tom Verducci thats an admirable thing to do. But, last I checked Mr. Chass has his right to be wrong.
I like the discussions about the movies on this blog. There is a line from Resevoir Dogs that sums up how I feel about all this:
"I dont need proof...I got instinct."
Now, I admit Joe has the moral high ground here. Moreover, in the journalism field I can see how all this can be a major issue --credibility and so forth.
But in my line of work , you never get any proof. All proof is after the fact. So, after years in this industry, whether right or wrong -- if I think you did it --you did.
If I even suspect you did it. You did.
Right? Im not sayin its right. Disgusting? It aint that either.
e, gotta disagree. the point is not that Chass is right or wrong (though, just because it feels good to say, he was clearly wrong. note even wrong. like, super-wrong. is that a thing?).
ReplyDeleteno, the point is that he didn't come about his belief honestly. he could have emailed verducci, which is his job, and he didn't. if he'd done that and *still* been uncertain and written, hey, ok. but he didn't.
there are lots of lines of work where you don't get any proof. in all of them, this only increases the need for diligence prior to taking a leap.
fortunately for all of us, as joe points out, this is the first time, ever, that murray has done this. yep.
Where are dak, Junior and Ken Tremendous now that we need them most?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.firejoemorgan.com/search?q=murray+chass
Hm... this sounds rather like my old journo classes. Chass clearly didn't have any way to check his story and ran it without bothering to fact-check in any way - not even to get the other side of the story from Verducci if it WAS true! The technical journalism term for this is "bull----." It was a hack job, plain and simple. A real newspaper would have spiked his column; he's sadly beyond that help now.
ReplyDeleteEven in the blogosphere, this sort of thing is increasingly frowned upon, as standards among "alternate media" tighten up. Further, the apology is patently absurd. He deserves the rip job, and Poz has provided. Good job, Joe.
This is great. Joe writing with steam coming out of his ears. Not that you'd want to see it too often – eighteen months or so to the next one should be about right.
ReplyDeleteNow, if Joe could revisit some of Selena Roberts' writings he'd maybe appreciate why some of his BRs get all steamy themselves when he describes her as "my friend" and seemingly glosses over her crimes against journalism.
Verducci didn't actually *prove* how he voted, did he? Isn't that part of Chass' problem now, that he has to go on Verducci's word?
ReplyDeleteHenry , your disagreement was so elegant and well said that you effectively brought me over to your way of thinking. Im sold.
ReplyDeleteYou said it better than I could, and your remarks about due diligence were spot on.
I think I am just sore because Joe once deleted a comment of mine where I was out of line. I called his buddy a liar with no proof. Smelled like a lie to me. Still does. Was I out of line? Definitely. Disgusting? I still think thats a little harsh.
But come to think of it , I should be far more sensitive. There are a few items on that bleepin Google search that I am quite certain are potentially damaging to my business. And, its the ones that arent exactly accurate that bother me the most.
In fact, I dont much like hiding behind anonyminityhowdoyouspellit. But I wont put my name on any blog because I dont want anyone to see any goofball ramblings.
Yeah, I guess , maybe , messin with a guys livelihood is disgusting.
Oh heavens, it's none other than FJM favorite, Murray Chass!
ReplyDeletePoz with the VENOM!!
ReplyDeleteSniz-APP!!
Do you feel you are the Charles Pierce to Chass' Simmons or the other way round?
ReplyDeleteFlock of cahdinals, baby!
ReplyDeleteflock of...cahdinals?
ReplyDeleteIf this post was a poker pot , Im calling Joe. Its not an easy call. Its a pot-odds call. I expect to lose -- but I'll throw one more unit in the pot.
ReplyDeleteFirst let me say , I like Joe. (I love his style) I think the world of Joe. In real life, I dont get to hang out with people like Joe, so he has no idea how I value his insights -- and all you commenters.
Joe , I think, is the most sincere of sweethearts. And, I can pay him the highest compliment I can pay any writer -- he's gotten through my thick cranium and taught me afew things.
But, Joe, as wrong as Murray is , I dont think you should be attacking him. Something about it doesnt seem right. Something about it seems way out of line. Lets start with the fact he's 106 years old. Lets continue with the fact he's been covering baseball since before you were born.
Joe once wrote on this blog >> I can use a little less snide.
Fair enough. But, I think the best sportswriter in the country -- at his peak -- going after an old man like Murray Chass is a snide move.
* I also think FJM is the definition of snide. But if you dont kick me off the blog I'll deal with those quitters later.
The new school takin down the old school?
For what? Because he erroneously crapped on a co-worker? Maybe they got beef going back.
Or maybe todays lesson is the next time some frail old man says something about your friend that you dont like , and then offers an apology that doesnt satisfy you -- hook the old bastit in the temple!! He's got it coming!
Joe, IMO , you should have just let this one go. Murray Chass is Mays with the Mets. Murray Chass is Ali vs. Holmes. Im not sayin he was as great as MAys or Ali all Im sayin is he is bleepin old! You could have let that transgression pass!
You going after Chass because he attacked a guy -- verducci -- who is a) already at the top of his profession b) who can take care of himself...is...well...its...damnit Joe its weak!
See kindness is one thing. Its easy. Respect is something else. Its a little more difficult.
Has Murray Chass earned a modicum of respect?? Its not my question to answer.
Well said, e.
ReplyDeleteJoe, while you have some valid points you yourself are also guilty of journalism 101 transgressions. You cherry-picked the couple of lines that suited your purpose while ignoring these:
ReplyDelete"In retrospect, I should not have identified anyone as having voted against Miller; I should just have let the numbers speak for themselves. Had I subsequently been able to identify the nay-sayers, I could have then named them. It is a routine I would have followed in every other instance and should have this time. I regret that I did not. I further regret any embarrassment I might have caused Miller and Verducci."
great Joe love the inside narcissists journalism wars- really important stuff. you seem more and more closer to that dangerous line of believing your own hype. You are just a guy writing his thoughts on the internet (with the side caveat of selling your brand to make money-which is fine) not the conscience of America - get over yourself
ReplyDelete"You are just a guy writing his thoughts on the internet" said Anonymous.
ReplyDeleteHey, does one of you guys have a squeegee? For my exploded brain?
"...it seems that before he was a New York based blogger he spent some time working in the mainstream media..."
ReplyDeleteI was a little disappointed to see you resort to this kind of snide put-down. I'm no fan of Murray Chass, but there's no reason to stoop to his level. Indeed, when you put it this way, you do a disservice to your readers, who may not have been aware--at least until one of your readers mentioned it--that Chass actually used to write for the New York Times. (Indeed, knowing that Chass was once employed by the Gray Lady makes his ethical lapse all the more damning.)
I dunno, Anonymous (7:12), I don't know if Joe's swipe is stooping to Chass's level. Yes, it's snide, which Joe rarely does, and for good reasons. But I don't think it's *as* bad as Chass's offense. That seems a serious lapse of journalism ethics.
ReplyDeleteAnd as to the above post which says that Joe shoulda let it go because Chass is 106...well, if he's that feeble, he oughta hang up his keyboard. If he's righteous enough to dish it out to Verducci, he should be righteous enough to take the fallout. And while it's Verducci's right to clear his name, he may not think it seemly to write a diatribe such as this one. That task falls to others; thankfully, Joe took it up.
Chass has been diligent in his bashing of bloggers and the new media. Presumably, one of the biggest issues he has with it is the lack of standards, of accountability, of ethics.
How does it taste, Mr. Chass?
I am a regular reader of both bloggers, but I am beginning to think that I should be looking more at the comments section. The last few posts by e and the Anonymous writers have been the most insightful on the subject, earning what I believe is Brilliant Reader status, and neither Poz nor Chass come out well in this case.
ReplyDeletee,
ReplyDeleteMurray Chass - like anyone else - has every right to be wrong in many areas. When he misrepresents facts about people in writing, that's libel.
Saying he has a right to be wrong in the way he has is kind of like telling the cop who just pulled you over "I have a right to not see that stop sign."
Still, I'd be more likely to cut Chass some slack if he weren't one of the leading opponents of the blogosphere (he even takes pains to point out that his website is NOT a blog, dammit!) because of the lack of accountability among the writers.
He writes a careless bit condemning someone - as he has accused bloggers of doing - and his mea culpa consists of "well, there's no PROOF I was wrong, but I'll admit that there's about a 50-50 chance I was."
I'll confess to not being a fan of many of Chass' views, especially regarding statistical analysis, but I would have hoped he would have had enough integrity to follow the rules he KNOWS he should follow, or at least to apologize properly if he slipped up in his outrage that Miller was denied his (rightful, in my mind) place in the Hall of Fame.
Having said all that, e, I do appreciate that you at least identify yourself in the comments section. There are too many Anonymouses on here now, which makes it harder to keep track of who said what.
And please note that I'm not calling out the various Anonymouses here. I mean, it IS easier to just comment without including a name. It just makes building a dialogue a little bit more of a hassle is all.
just an observation. Early comments nearly 100% in favour of Joe and his post. later comments more evenly split. Are we getting grumpier the later in the evening?
ReplyDeleteI am a 100% correct in all my comments
ReplyDeleteCannot figure out who's worse:
ReplyDeleteThe former Times writer laden in arrogance, self-justification, familial connections, "proper" breeding, prep school education, Ivy League diploma, and offshore wealth???;
OR
The never-made-it-to-the-Times, Red State-based writer furious that he lacked the familial connections, "proper" breeding, prep school education, Ivy League diploma, and offshore wealth to be given a byline at The Times???
Times prima donna or Red State still bitter?
"And what caused him to break from his perfect 100% record as a reporter?"
ReplyDeleteI loved this.
The never-made-it-to-the-Times, Red State-based writer furious that he lacked the familial connections, "proper" breeding, prep school education, Ivy League diploma, and offshore wealth to be given a byline at The Times???
ReplyDeleteCriminy... project much, anon?
e - I think you make the best possible defense of Chass, but I find a small problem. Chass didn't "erroneously" misrepresent Verducci. Error implies that he acted on the best information he could find, that proved incorrect. In fact, he acted without bothering to find the best information. That's a severe ethical lapse. What's worse, he does so with his Times background, back when ethical standards at the Grey Lady were more stringent. He could never have gotten away with this back then.
Had Chass emailed Verducci and asked for his side, all would have been avoided, and that's SOP for a story like this.
I seriously doubt that Murray Chass, for whatever flaws he may have, comes from from " 'proper' breeding, prep school education, Ivy League diploma, and offshore wealth."
ReplyDeleteI don't know, but it seems more likely, he comes from a middle-class Jewish family, grew up in the Bronx, and went to CCNY.
Cannot figure out who's worse:
ReplyDeleteThe former Times writer laden in arrogance, self-justification, familial connections, "proper" breeding, prep school education, Ivy League diploma, and offshore wealth???;
OR
The never-made-it-to-the-Times, Red State-based writer furious that he lacked the familial connections, "proper" breeding, prep school education, Ivy League diploma, and offshore wealth to be given a byline at The Times???
I'll take the guy who twists routine disagreements into class warfare.
Jimbo,
ReplyDeleteI won't take the guy who regurgitates what Papa Rush told him at the top of the hour.
Schneider,
Chass is Upper West Side-Choate-Andover-Ivy all the way. Tell your wife I hope she enjoys her thrice-weekly Frigid I & II classes this week taught by the Paid Spouse of Lucianne Goldberg's Little Boy and Howie Kurtz's Missus in the basement bomb shelter at AIPAC. Mazel tov.
Chass graduated from University of Pittsburgh.
ReplyDeleteWow the twists and turns in this comment thread have been fascinating.
ReplyDeleteI went to check on Chass' background using my usual 100% reliable source, wikipedia, and, at least when I checked it just now, it read "Chass graduated from the University of Pittsburgh in 5.348 x 10^7 B.C." Somebody's having fun with this feud.
Anon (9:38) - and which bridge did you graduate under?
ReplyDeleteReally, do you email Gregg Easterbrook with this crap? Joe doesn't even mention politics in here. You have no idea for whom he votes, or why - as it should be, unless you happen to know the man. You don't. Nor Chass. Nor any of us. The enormity of your assumptions has eclipsed the sun, and you are quite in the dark.
Chass got his masters at the University of Jerusalem and his masters in journalism at Columbia. Chass has written for years for The Jerusalem Post. Just like his Uncle Sol. Don't be such putzes.
ReplyDeletenightfly,
Nah, I've just been reading your tripe from The Big Drug Addict's Mouth to your ears to this website and elsewhere since you graduated junior high school.
Joe's a fine writer. Anymore KC-centric, though, and we're going to need to test Joe for Oxycontin. Even ole' Rusty doesn't go all Lady Ga Ga this much over Mizzou and George Brett.
We won't even discuss the Bill James Fetish - the one and only clear drawback of reading the otherwise fine website. Suffice it to blog that Joe and King James need to get a room - and make sure Rob Neyer's not planted hidden cameras and bugs throughout the facility. Joe's in love with King James; Neyer's a damn stalker.
Meanwhile, Joe's better for not having written at The Times. Isn't one Buster Olney enough? Do we really need a second George Vecsey? Another Dave Anderson?
Joe's a fine writer - save the King James worship. Joe's one of the few worthwhile reads in SI today. John Ed Bradley's still superb. Peter King's found his racist home in Beantown. Gary Smith needs a shrink and a daily dose of Valium the size of a softball. SI's former back page miscreant, who never was funny, has thankfully migrated to Bristol with the rest of the humorless warm-up acts at George's House of Workplace Sexual Harassment. He's not missed.
Why Joe is whining about not being at The Pinch's House of Nepotism boggles the mind. It's almost as bad as his unrequited love for King James.
Meanwhile, let Chass be an ass - an ass with Jerusalem, CJS, and Upper West Side connections and bucks. That's all he's ever been or will be.
Joe, I love your blog but the comments section has really gone downhill since you started allowing people to post anonymously. The old system was much better. While your posts are, of course, the main thing that attracts me to this blog, I also liked the fact that the comments used to be almost all civil and added something to the discussion.
ReplyDeleteI find the anonymous comments have changed that dynamic though and it would really be sad if the comments on this blog started to resemble the cesspool of immaturity and stupidity that represents most internet comments sections.
Please consider turning the ability to comment anonymously off and going back to the way things were before.
This is very out of character, Poz. I think it's a fine post & you make some strong points. I'm not sure why I felt inclined to comment. I love your writing. You're the best!
ReplyDeleteI just read this, and not sure why I didn't read this before. But as a Pirate fan, I have seen more bullshit Murray Chass articles than I would have thought possible.
ReplyDeleteA few of them have been ripped here and there, and I m glad to see Chass directly ripped here!
Surreality said...
ReplyDelete"Joe, I love your blog but the comments section has really gone downhill since you started allowing people to post anonymously. The old system was much better. While your posts are, of course, the main thing that attracts me to this blog, I also liked the fact that the comments used to be almost all civil and added something to the discussion."
Surr,
I do agree. Non-Anonymous comment types really make this blog. Why, for example, look at some of the intellectually stimulating offerings posted by Non-Anonymous types on this very thread.
RickyB said...
Circle me put out to pasture ...
December 13, 2010 8:34 AM
jrf said...
That Murray Chass is a little ray of sunshine...
December 13, 2010 11:27 AM
Jimmy said...
Oh heavens, it's none other than FJM favorite, Murray Chass!
December 13, 2010 12:26 PM
Bellwether Johnson said...
Poz with the VENOM!!
Sniz-APP!!
December 13, 2010 1:11 PM
chick said...
Flock of cahdinals, baby!
December 13, 2010 2:33 PM
henry said...
"You are just a guy writing his thoughts on the internet" said Anonymous.
Hey, does one of you guys have a squeegee? For my exploded brain?
December 13, 2010 6:15 PM
timmy! said...
I am a 100% correct in all my comments
December 14, 2010 6:09 AM
Yup, that's just the Select Seven from this blog of Non-Anonymous types that float somewhere between Jim Murray, Bill Shakespeare, Ernie Hemingway, and Lewis Black. Quite impressive, aren't they?
However, Surr or maybe it should be Ma'am, fair is fair. I'll take you up on your offer and sign my posts with a name. Not one of these Google Account/Word Press/Live Journal tags. I need another Internet name and password about as much as I need to read another love letter to Bill James. So, from this point forward, I will sign my posts on this site as:
Anonymous Who Doesn't Want Another Password But Needs to Keep Surr Otherwise Known As Ma'am On A Tight Leash
Anonymous @ 8:11...while none of the posts you cite are exactly Chaucer, neither do they explicitly belittle or gratuitously insult others. A little snarky, maybe.
ReplyDeleteWould it kill you to be polite, and not name-call, as you make your points? It makes things here much more pleasant. Thanks.
cf,
ReplyDeleteBut they're such great Non-Anonymous Posts. They deserve to be recognized. Can't censor those Non-Anonymous Posters for their brilliance, depth, and vision.
Besides Surr Otherwise Known As Ma'am would be upset.
Sincerely,
Anonymous Who Doesn't Want Another Password But Needs to Keep Surr Otherwise Known As Ma'am On A Tight Leash
Nah, I've just been reading your tripe from The Big Drug Addict's Mouth to your ears to this website and elsewhere since you graduated junior high school.
ReplyDeleteYou have me at a disadvantage, Anon... I'm inclined to laugh at your posts - it's quite the theater of the absurd - but my parents taught me better than to amuse myself at the expense of the mentally ill.
Not that it will make a bit of difference, but I suppose I must try: would you cut it out, already, for your own sake? The trolling can't possibly be worth it. Ruining someone else's website can't be worth it. You gain literally nothing except attention - and you can just start your own blog if you want that, or go the old-school route and wear a sandwich board in Times Square, shrieking that The End is Nigh.
In any case, you get no more attention from me. Prolly breaks your heart.
Well done.
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing more than half of these anonymous postings are Murray Chass himself.
ReplyDeleteOh Anonymous Who Doesn't Want Another Password But Needs to Keep Surr Otherwise Known As Ma'am On A Tight Leash. You prattle on and yet your posts contain less substance than those you mock. Sound and fury, Anon. Sound and fury.
ReplyDelete"You prattle on and yet your posts contain less substance than those you mock."
ReplyDeleteJohnboy,
The Seven Sisters I reposted at 8:11 Dec. 14 just beat the daylights out of your (non-)point.
And that doesn't even include the endless Bill James Worship Fest.
Strike three. You're out. Now say good night to Ma, Pa, and the rest of the family before the closing credits roll.
Anonymous Who Doesn't Want Another Password But Needs to Keep Surr Otherwise Known As Ma'am On A Tight Leash
I think you're too kind, Joe. My experience tells me more bloggers are like Chass than like you, for instance. But I can't confirm this as I'm currently living under sagebrush and rocks in the middle of the freakin' desert and can't check any facts.
ReplyDeleteThe concept of a profession policing itself is very important. People complain regularly, and I believe rightly, about the erosion of journalistic integrity. To me, that suggests that we need more self-policing, not less, particularly in the case of bloggers posting things outside of any sort of editorial oversight. Joe's post is a positive one, seen in that light.
ReplyDeleteA.W.D.W.A.P.B.N.t.K.S.O.K.A.M.O.A.T.L. does not appear to be mentally stable, and should seek help instead of posting anonymously in blog comments.
I love the description of Murray's site: it's a site for baseball columns, not a baseball blog.
ReplyDeleteUm, Murray? You're writing articles that are posted semi-regularly on a web site and arranged chronologically. That's...a...blog.
You have a very good blog that the main thing a lot of interesting and useful!
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