This week's Poscast is with columnist, author and all-around great guy Ian O'Connor. Ian's excellent new book, The Captain: The Journey of Derek Jeter, has created some sparks. We talk about those, whether or not Derek Jeter is done as a good player, and so on.
The Poscast with Ian O'Connor.
We also talked at some length about Tiger Woods ... really the topic of age and sports was pretty prominent in our discussion. Which led to this little essay on getting old.
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The more years pass, the more I respect the power of age. I was thinking about this the other day when, for incomprehensible reasons, I started to run a few sprints beside my daughter's soccer practice. I've been trying to get in shape, as you might know, and I've dropped a pretty good amount of weight, and I'm sort of, kind of, training for something or other. No idea what I might be training for -- a 5K run, a return to tennis (the world awaits!), an attempt to tackle the game of golf, a baseball comeback, River Dancing! -- but I know that I need something as motivation. For some reason, running sprints just seemed the thing to do.
Well, my left knee didn't think so. I have never, to my knowledge, had any trouble with my left knee. I've had plenty of trouble with just about every other part of my body, but the left knee has been good. On about my third sprint, the left knee announced that it was no longer part of the program. The unspoken conversation went something like this.
Me: I'm young! I'm fast! I'm ...
Left knee: Have you lost your mind?
Me: What? I'm running.
Left knee: You are 44 years old. You cannot just start running sprints out of nowhere. Are you crazy?
Me: I don't feel 44 years old. I still feel young.
Left knee: Trust me, you're not young. Just look at the music on your iPod, man.
Me: What? I've got some hip hop on there.
Left knee: Yeah ... The Sugarhill Gang. Dude, I'm not even going to argue with you. Stop running. Go do what you do best ... sit in a recliner, prop me up, and watch sports.
Me: No. I can still ...
Left knee: OK, sorry pal, you've left me no choice. This is going to hurt you more than it's going to hurt me.
This the trouble with age. Nobody tells you that you are too old to do something. It just happens. It's like Chris Rock told my friend Scott Raab in a typically brilliant line about Christian Slater: "I remember I used to see Christian Slater movies all the time. One day they just stopped making 'em. He didn't get a memo. No one passes you a note."
That's how it goes with age too. No memos. No notes. One day, you simply find that you cannot run as fast, cannot jump as high, cannot react as quickly, cannot sprint without sparks of pain flying off your left knee. There comes a day when you are in the car, going somewhere, and suddenly you think: "Wait, where am I going?" There comes a day for most of us -- not all of us, but most of us -- when the music starts sounding the same (and too loud), when the fashions stop making any sense to us, when the agony of the morning after outflanks the thrill of the night before. One minute you're singing how you hope you die before you get old. The next minute you're playing halftime at the Super Bowl. Nobody tells you it's going to happen.
Well ... no ... wait, that's not right. People DO tell us it's going to happen. People DO tell us we're going to get old. But we don't believe it. We can't believe it. Or even if we do believe it, we believe it in a vague and general way, the way we believe that we are going to die someday. If someone tells me I will someday be too old to do something or other, I will believe them. But I will not believe them if they say that someday is actually tomorrow.
Getting old is, of course, more stark in sports than just about anywhere else in life. This is because there is a constant influx of youth in sports. There are always new kids in sports. Our games do not get older. The average age of the players stays stunningly constant through the years. It's the players individually who get older.
Because of this we see those individual players age in fast-forward. It isn't fair. If Michael Jordan had played in an NBA that did not let in new players, a league that aged as the players age, I feel sure he would STILL be the dominant force in basketball. He's almost certainly the best 48 year old basketball player around. Willie Mays would not have looked diminished had he played in a league where the average age was 42 years old. In real life, we tend to gather around people our own age and so the effects do not seem quite so sharply defined. Your left knee hurts? What a coincidence my left knee hurts too!
But in sports, Roger Federer has to defeat players who are much younger, whose bodies are much fresher, men who grew up in a world where Federer's brilliance was not stunning and revolutionary but merely the new standard to be achieved. Federer's a young man in our world. He's an old man in his world.
And the older I get the more I bet on the years to win. It's a bit cynical, I admit -- it's a lot more fun to root for people to beat age for as long as possible. And I still do root for that to happen. But, when you start to feel yourself getting older, you realize that it's all about postponing the inevitable. Yes, maybe a guy will be successful at 36. But he won't be at 37. Or he might be an all-star at 37. But he will stink at 38. Sooner or later, age wins. Every time.
Which, of course, brings us to Derek Jeter. When I see Derek Jeter's horrible struggles, my younger self shouts what Jeter is no doubt thinking: That it's just a phase, that he will figure something out, that he will find a way to adjust. But the left-knee part of my brain tells me that Derek Jeter is done, and I think that part of the brain is right. It isn't just that Derek Jeter is hitting .250. It isn't just that he has two extra-base hits (both doubles) this year. It isn't just that he's coming off by far the worst year of his career.
Look at the breakdown of Derek Jeter's 25 hits this year:
Infield singles: 11.
Ground balls through left side: 2 (one a double).
Ground balls up middle: 4.
Ground balls through right side: 3 (one a double).
Looper to right field: 2.
Line drives: 3.
We're only talking about 110 or so plate appearances, and as Jeter says a couple of four hit games and he's right back in it. But look at that collection of hits. Almost half of Derek Jeter's all-to-rare hits were infield singles. Only five of the 25 were hit in the air. Derek Jeter is as smart a baseball player as any in his generation, and he's relentless, and he still runs hard on every ball, and I have little doubt that given enough at-bats that he will find a way to compensate for this inability to hit the ball in the air and hit at least SOMEWHAT better than this. For years, we had a giant bump in our driveway. We learned how to turn the wheel just so and the bump wasn't too bracing. Human beings adjust to their circumstances.
But the idea that Derek Jeter -- who is hitting .267 and slugging .343 since the beginning of last season -- will be a good hitter again, well, to be honest I'm just getting too old to believe in those sorts of miracles.
A couple of years ago, Ian O'Connor and I got into a little argument about Jeter. Ian thought that Jeter would make a run at 4,000 hits. I told him there was no chance of that happening. We talk a little bit about this on the Poscast, and to be fair, Ian admits defeat and makes the point that he made his prediction in the glow of Jeter having his marvelous 2009 season (which I believe is the best for a 35-year-old shortstop in the last century). Ian's feeling was that Jeter took such good care of himself and he was so driven (at the time, Jeter privately was telling people that he planned to play well into his 40s) that he would sustain his game for a long time.
That all made some sense, sure. But sense doesn't have much to do with getting old. Logic doesn't turn back the years. Willpower doesn't stop the clock. Ty Cobb burned with a hunger for baseball perhaps unmatched. He stopped hitting. Babe Ruth stopped hitting. Ted Williams stopped hitting. Stan Musial stopped hitting. Willie Mays stopped hitting. Hank Aaron ... George Brett ... Rod Carew ... Frank Thomas ...
No, I don't bet against age, not anymore. I didn't think Jeter would get anywhere close to 4,000 hits. Now, I'm older, and I don't even see how he's going to finish his contract as an every day player. I don't think Alex Rodriguez is going to break Barry Bonds home run record -- or Hank Aaron's. I don't think Tiger Woods is going to break Jack Nicklaus' record for professional majors.
I absolutely could be wrong. I hope I am wrong. I hope that Derek Jeter has a renaissance where line drives jump off his bat again. But, hey, I hope that my left knee won't hurt the next time the urge to sprint hits me. I think it will hurt. I'm actually pretty sure about that.
I think you're in training to finally write the iPad/iPad2 review.
ReplyDeleteThom Yorke said it years ago. Gravity always wins.
ReplyDeleteJoe,
ReplyDeleteYou absolutely can run sprints. You just have to work up to it. Yes, being 44 means you can't just roll out of your lazy boy and start running. Being older just means that your potential is lower, but you can still be a badass.
When you do get to the point of being able to sprint you'll be a far healthier person. I'm only two years younger than you and I sprint, do muscle-ups and olympic lifts. But not on day one. It took two years, but I did get there. So can you.
When I think about and witness myself getting up there in years (almost 59), my biggest weakness is that I don't really care to keep up with the newest techno device on the market, that excellent new band in Nashville or who's playing a really good shortstop in the AL this spring. It seems like just keeping up with what's essential in my life takes up more than enough time.
ReplyDeleteOld is when baseball players your age are no longer considered up amd coming young prospects. Then old is when baseball players your age are past their prime. Then old is when baseball players your age are considered a "veteran presence". Then old is when baseball players your age are the subject of a Joe Posnanski retrospective. But it's okay, because by that time you've forgotten enough of the details to enjoy seeing his recollection of what players were doing when you were young.
ReplyDeleteDon't look now, but, MARIANO RIVERA. Seriously. He may not completely beat age, but I feel confident that he'll do as well as anybody ever has (without the aid of Human Growth Hormone, of course). At close to 40, you can make a solid argument that his diminished velocity has actually made him a BETTER pitcher.
ReplyDeleteI've been hesitant to climb on board the Jeter-is-aging train because it just seems that those core Yankees guys never die. For example, as piplom above says, Mariano Rivera is still going strong.
ReplyDeleteBut right now Jeter has a .270 slugging pct. That's insanely low, and usually only occurs to a slumping hitter if he's batting .180 or something (like Carl Crawford right now). But Jeter is batting .250. A .250 BA and a .270 SLG to me indicates more than a temporary slump.
I was on a ski slope when my left knee told me what it told Joe. It told me that I can't go fast in slow wet snow. It told me that I can't turn quite so sharply on an ungroomed trail. I didn't listen. Then my knee just stopped and the rest of my body didn't.
ReplyDeleteListen to your knee. It always knows how old you are.
The problem for us non-athletes is... I'M not getting old; but my BODY is! Any idiot can "blow out" a knee; it takes a SPECIAL kind of idiot (me) to require a total knee replacement before reaching the age of 50!
ReplyDeleteSorry for steering the conversation to something I'm blogging about, but 100 years ago, Harry Davis of the A's was a 37 year-old infielder who had been the much-loved captain of his successful team for 10 years (the A's entire history, in fact).
ReplyDeleteAnd then he stopped hitting.
Early in the 1911 season, Connie Mack replaced him with young Stuffy McInnis. What I love about the story is how Davis then focused on mentoring McInnis, who became widely thought of as the best fielder of his time. Then, in the 1911 WS, McInnis was injured so Davis played first. With the A's about to win it all in the 9th inning of Game 6, Davis pulled himself from the game so Stuffy could be on the field for the final out.
Again, apologies for the self-promotion, but 100 years ago today, Davis, the four-time HR champ, hit his last HR ever: http://1911athletics.blogspot.com/
I think age is obviously a huge part of it but I also think it has to do with falling off the mountain - for years players like Jeter (or Tiger who is probably another good example) never had to ask himself what is wrong. If he went into a funk, he would just snap out of it. But string together a bad season or two and you start to question yourself. Doubt is very powerful.
ReplyDeleteBTW, haven't seen anyone talking much about it but Albert Pujols just finished his worst full month as a major leaguer (by quite a bit actually) and his OPS currently sits at 748.
Your knee is a wimp. Imagine how that knee would have felt a few months ago before you lost all that weight. I think your knee needs to take a knee.
ReplyDeleteAge gets to everyone. As for running, at 55, I can't make the times I did as a sprightly 49 year old, and I certainly can't do what I did 30 years ago. I hope Jeter has more left in the tank-I hope he's not falling off the cliff. But, even if this is close to the end, Jeter has earned some slack. He has the record of accomplishments, and, at least for now, the Yankees are strong enough to carry him until his situation resolves itself. Great players have to have an intense pride, no matter how low-key their demeanor is in public, and I'm sure Jeter does. If and when he figures out that effort and intensity will not compensate, he's going to find a graceful way off the stage. The Yankees, every mindful of their product, will help him.
ReplyDeleteMatt (third comment) is dead on, Joe. Everything is possible. I know dozens of 40-somethings that are moving better now than a decade ago. Spend a few hours a week with a good PT - one who is very active and won't laugh at even your wildest goals - and you'll be amazing yourself in no time. Age doesn't help us, but focus on movement and you can beat it back for many more years. The knee is just a symptom of weakness or dysfunction elsewhere. Find and fix that and you'll be good to go. Ease back into things, as Matt says, and you'll find yourself doing things you didn't think were possible anymore. There's no need to be like most of us that interpret the pain as a sign that we just can't do it anymore. That's not true at all.
ReplyDeleteI typed a long reply about Jeter and how it's fairly obvious to me that he's not moving as well as before and that it really disappoints me, but then Blogger ate it. Oh well. I'll shorten it to this: I found the comment that "Jeter takes such good care of himself" to be kind of amusing, because that's precisely what he's not doing anymore. Not to turn this into an ARod vs Jeter thing, but all one has to do is look 40 feet to Jeter's right to see an example of what can (and should, at least for a pro athlete making tens of millions) be done at that age. Suddenly ARod's contract length isn't quite the same concern anymore (though it still sucks)... because he emphasized mobility and flexibility this past winter and came to town looking five years younger. Meanwhile Jeter, who is one year older and has about the same mileage on the tires, looks ten years older than ARod.
Jeter was never a gym rat and never had to be. And hitting the weights really hard wouldn't be useful, so that's not what I'm suggesting. But it's kind of amazing to me that a guy with so much pride and ambition would be so willing to let age start winning the battle so handily. His bat would still be slower - he is 36, after all - but a bit more work on the diet and mobility could've gone a long way toward slowing the aging we've seen. There's always next winter, I guess... For now I'm just left to hope that Girardi summons the courage to get him out of the leadoff spot.
I'm 49 and in the best shape of my life (still not saying much..)I realized that with small kids (9&7) I need to do all that I can to TRY to reverse the damage of my 20's (they tell me I had a good time!) and to stave off old age as long as I can. Every day I wake up and something new hurts, but I still do my 50 push ups and 100 crunches. Some days its a breeze, other days, not so much.
ReplyDeleteJoe, keep up the sprints - the kids will appreciate the effort. Maybe not today...
You guys did not have to vote for the Jeter story, we were going to see it anyway. Any reader of the blog knows that Joe has a minot obsession with Derek Jeter. (Although the rumors of the Jeter poster on the ceiling are not true)
ReplyDeleteGetting older is something that happens to all of us. You can't play tennis without a knee brace anymore. At some point, you go from being a guy young girls notice to being invisible to them. We go from being able to see the rotation of a pitch to taking a little longer than that to even visually pick up the ball. Combine that with a slower bat speed and, suddenly, you can't hit. It happens to everyone.
Another stupid idea or question from me since someone didn't take too kindly to my idea (Hey, I said it was just a silly dream...) last week about divvying up the baseball salaries at end of season based on productivity.
ReplyDeleteWe have all heard of player/managers (Lou Boudreau, Solly Hemus, Frank Robinson, Pete Rose) but have there been player/coaches in MLB history? I think the DH would have put an end to some of the argument of keeping a guy on the roster to pinch-hit or fill a small but important role on a team that could also have been a coach but I can't remember there being one. Jeter is such a Yankee icon that managing one day might be out of the question but perhaps he might become a coach? Of course, if Jetes can't hit there's little use of keeping him on the roster to pinch-hit but he sure could stay busy signing autographs before the game and tipping his cap to adoring fans, especially the ladies...Perhaps Minka has other ideas...?
In Ted Williams' final season, his OPS+ was 190 and in his weakest season one year prior it was 114. I think it is fair to say Ted Williams walked away from the game with almost all of his hitting powers pretty close to intact.
ReplyDeleteI agree that age is a humbling force but I also agree with the commenters who point that effort can allow a person to fight back against it.
I'm no orthopaedic surgeon or physical therapist, but my money would be on iliotibial band bursitis if your pain is on the outermost side of the knee moreso than in the load-bearing areas of the joint. I had a spell of that when I got back into jogging, and it disappeared through some combination of pre-run IT band stretching or sheer chance. Treadmills at zero incline are a bit more friendly to it than is non-level natural terrain.
ReplyDeleteBrilliant title for the post, by the way. No matter what happens, love will keep Jeter and the Yankees together.
On a completely different note, I listened to a couple of Poscasts. Joe, I love your writing and I think you should stick to what makes you great. No one else will say it, but you need to hear it.
ReplyDeleteAny truth to the rumor you're moving to North Carolina, Joe? Won't you miss our BBQ?
ReplyDelete1) Ted Williams didn't quit hitting, he retired.
ReplyDelete2) A-Rod can't break Aaron's record, only Bonds's: he has to compete in the Selig-era category.
3) Three words: Ken. Griffey. Junior.
25 years ago, Davey Lopes had the kind of conclusion that gives eternal hope to ageing ballplayers. For the three years aged 35 to 37, his OPS was .653 (OPS+ 84). Looks finished, right?
ReplyDeleteBut then from 38 to 42, he had 1500 PA, with an OPS of .786 (OPS+ 118). And then he stopped.
Of course, if you have to go back a quarter of a century to find a counter-example, you know what that means...
Ty Cobb didn't really quit hitting either, his OPS+ in his last year was still 112. Respectable for a part time outfielder.
ReplyDeleteJeter needs to find himself a manager that will ignore crappy OPS+ numbers and let him play every day regardless of whether he can hit anymore, like Peter Edward Rose (of course, in Rose's case that manager was himself)
@brhalbleib - the end of Pete Rose's career demonstrates one of the problems with OPS & OPS+. WHile he was hitting for no power, he was actually still very good at getting on base, posting OBP well above league average in both 1984 & especially 1985 when his walk rate spiked to the highest rate of his career (which is actually pretty impressive when you consider how close he was to Cobb's record at that point).
ReplyDeleteEven using OPS+, he was basically league average those 2 years and using more advanced stats like wOBA he was above average with the bat because of his high OBP. Of course his WAR takes a hit because he was a liability in the field at that point and WAR uses other 1st basemen as a baseline but even with that he was an above replacement level player until his last year in 1986 when he fell apart.
I use OPS all the time because it is a handy & convenient number but it's important to remember that it underweights OBP and thus undervalues players that don't hit for power but get on base.
I am of the opinion that Jeter is overrated as a team player and captain. I am not talking to his on field ability. I refer to the way he is characterized in NY as the ultimate team player.
ReplyDeleteI see two things which clearly dispel that notion.
Firstly, when the Yankees traded for A-rod he was clearly better than Jeter offensively AND more importantly defensively. If Jeter was the ultimate team player then he would have moved because there was a better shortstop on the team. Understandably, Jeter did not move. It is more prestigious and worth more money to him to stay at short stop.
I do not mean to say that Jeter was wrong for not offering to move positions. I would have done the same thing as him. However, he can not then be called the ultimate team player when he did not do the ultimate thing of putting team ahead of himself. This is really a criticism of the media and fans that perpetuate this myth.
Secondly, and here I think Jeter was wrong, he never backed up A-rod when A-rod was being destroyed and booed by the fans and media.
Jeter grew to dislike A-rod and therefore did not stick up for him. But here again the captain and ultimate team player puts aside his personal animus and sticks up for another player on the team. THAT IS WHAT A CAPTAIN DOES. Again I don't know if would be able to stand up for and protect a fellow teammate that I dislike. But the ultimate team player should be able to do that.
This is all not personal against Jeter. By all accounts he is a fine human being. I only mean to criticize the idea that Jeter is the ultimate team player and captain. I think in that respect he is like all other players. Is interested in the team but when it will affect his pocketbook or his prestige he puts himself first.
Joe-
ReplyDeleteWhere's the long overdue ohmygodicantbelievetheindianshavethebestrecordinbaseball post?
"I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him."
ReplyDeletedd, Who decided Jeter was going to play shortstop over ARod - Jeter or Torre? Even now, who is deciding Jeter plays short? Jeter or Girardi? It's not up to Jeter to decide he's playing shortstop. It's up to the manager, and if they thought the team would be much improved if he and ARod switched positions, they should have told Jeter to move to 3rd.
ReplyDeleteThe idea that Jeter should have stepped forward and volunteered to vacate his position in favor or ARod is ridiculous.
Also, standing up for ARod to the media is not Jeter's job as captain. As I see it, one of the challenges of playing in NYC is to deal with the media and their ravenous appetite for controversy. Jeter has done what I believe to be an excellent job in keeping the media at bay. The guy has spent 17 years in the Bronx, with intense media scrutiny, loads of controversy, bitter and overhyped rivalries, and yet he hasn't put his foot in his mouth even once. Why in the world would he suddenly insert himself into a media-created frenzy associated with ARod?
Say it ain't so, Joe.
ReplyDeleteNMarkW,
ReplyDeleteThat someone was me. Sorry if it was harsh, I meant it lightheartedly with an edge. I'll explain why it is a dumb idea.
Consider what your idea would do to players angling for play time. How do you define performance across all nine positions? If you have a fixed pool of resources to divide up, and you ask a player to move out of position for someone else, and he plays a position that he thinks he is more valuable in, then what? Or what about a slumping veteran, like Jeter, and a young guy sitting on the bench. Or people pushing themselves through injuries, shortening careers. I could go on.
Justin, no worries about any harsh tone. Trust me, I knew when I wrote the salary divvying post that it would and never could happen. I believe I stated the same when I said it was just a dream. Perhaps I should have added that there would be an all-knowing, all-seeing, all-sabermetric, all-anything-to-do- about-baseball wise God who would expertly decide the salary portioning at the end of the year. (You know, like an up-to-date, enlightened GM.)
ReplyDeleteAnd, of course, this is an even more preposterous part of the equation...There would be absolutely no kerfluffles amongst the players as to who got what from the said wise God. Yeah, like that's gonna happen!
Oops, one more thing to add to the dreamworld that I described above...I guess I'd better include that there would be no player agents for professional baseball players. The players could still remain unionized. That way the holiday parties that they would throw for the poor team owners would be much better organized. Can you say, "Kumbaya"?
ReplyDeleteOne of the Brilliant Readers mentioned that Jeter deserves to be cut some slack.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. The question is, how much?
If he ends the season hitting, say, .240 with little power and the Yankees do not win the World Series, is he still the automatic starter come next season?
I'd be interested to know when Yanks replace him.
Mark in Vegas
Mark Daniel
ReplyDeleteOf course the manager will not move Jeter unless he offered first.
Jeter hasn't forgiven Cashman yet for the fact that Cashman offered Jeter a contract that was way overpriced but not as high as Jeter wished.
Of course it is ridiculous for Jeter to move. Because it is not good for him and we are used to all players looking out for themselves- which I am fine with. BUT THE ULTIMATE TEAM PLAYER does what is best for the team.
Looks like one of us has a Jeter thing. Not really curable, but treatable as a chronic ailment. Symptoms include an irrational dislike of the player and a myopia as to any other lousy contract in baseball. The Yankees paid Jeter that much because a) they didn't think he would be this bad, and b) he's Jeter-he's a key part of their marketing and their ethos, and c) because they can afford it, at least economically. Bear in mind, for all those A-Rod aficionados out there, that the Yankees are going to be paying an astronomical amount of money to wind down his career passing home-run milestones. The Yankees are a marketing machine-and as much as fans love to hate the Yankees, they really draw, and pay out tons in revenue sharing and luxury tax. Mark asked the right question-the Yankees have the money-but how long can they afford it on the field if Jeter can't recover. That's to be seen, but Jeter doesn't have to be a saint to know when he's past the point of no return. I'm betting he's a very smart man, and the Yankees are a smart organization, and they will find something smart from both an aesthetic and marketing perspective. I'd be shocked to see Jeter at short, and in the lead-off position, two years from now.
ReplyDeleteLet me reiterate that I would have done the same things Jeter did. So my criticism is not so much a criticism of Jeter as it is of the Media and the fans.
ReplyDeleteIt is the media and fans that perpetuate the myth that Jeter is the ultimate team player.
He is an upstanding player and person who has helped cultivate a sparkling image by doing and saying many of the right things.
>> On a completely different note, I listened to a couple of Poscasts. Joe, I love your writing and I think you should stick to what makes you great. No one else will say it, but you need to hear it.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, I agree. The writing is absolutely brilliant and I love it and I visit this site twice a day to see if there's a new post (RSS feed be damned!). But the poscasts don't have the same magic. I have listened to 1.5 of them, and that will be all. But did I mention that I love the writing?
Joe, loved the post (as usual), have forwarded it to a whole bunch of people. And don't give up the idea of tennis -- I'm a better tennis player now as a 50-year-old than I was in my 30s. I can't run as fast, and my knees, wrist, finger (don't ask, ridiculous injury) hurt after I play, but smarts and learning new strokes and strategies make the game more fun than ever. The secret, of course, is that I wasn't very good in my 30s, having just picked up the game!
ReplyDeleteCobb never stopped hitting.
ReplyDeleteIt's been a while since I read my Stump, so I don't remember what it was that tipped his cap in the direction of retirement. Proably the fact that he was loaded and everybody in the American League hated his guts. And that, you know, he was 41 years old and subject to the same physical breakdowns you discuss.
But he never stopped hitting. In his final year of 1928, Cobb hit .323 with a 112 OPS+. After his rookie year,he never had an OPS+ under 100 or a batting average under .300.
He'd had a 171 OPS+ at the age of 38.
to pile on: Ted Williams most certainly did not stop hitting. .316/.451/.645 in 1960 at age 41. He was easily the best hitter in the league right up until the day he retired. Eddie Yost had a OBP of .414 and Mickey Mantle slugged .581 that year.
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