Sunday, May 8, 2011

Verlander And No-Nos

A few thoughts about Justin Verlander and his two no-hitters and why I think Verlander will throw at least more no-hitter before he's finished.

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Thirteen players in baseball history -- including Justin Verlander -- have thrown multiple no-hitters before they turned 29 years old. We'll deal with 11 of those here. This is not to discount the other two -- Christy Mathewson and Dutch Leonard. Mathewson is obviously one of the best pitchers ever, and Dutch Leonard in 1914 had an 0.96 ERA, the lowest for a qualifier in baseball history. But they both pitched their best during Deadball, and that doesn't really relate to what we're talking about here.

So we have eleven pitchers left. Justin Verlander is one of the 11, and he's our focal point, so let's leave him to the end. That leaves us with 10 pitchers to focus on.



The 10 are (as ranked by WAR):

1. Nolan Ryan (84.8 WAR) was actually something of a circus freak when he was 28 years old. He already had set the single-season strikeout record with 383 and had three times struck out 325 or more. He had also thrown FOUR no-hitters. But he had also led the league in walks three times, including his ground-breaking 202 walks in 1973. (In the century, only Bob Feller had walked 200 in a season. Feller will re-enter our story in a minute).

Point is, nobody at that point knew if Ryan was a GREAT pitcher or merely a singular one. It is certainly true that nobody had ever seen a pitcher quite like him. And yet his 105-98 record and 111 ERA+ suggested he was more fascinating than masterly, more impressive than effective.

Had Ryan burned out as a pitcher after 28 as, say, Sam McDowell did, he probably would be viewed (like McDowell) more as an oddity than an all-time great. Look:

Nolan Ryan at 28: 105-98, 3.06 ERA, 1,758 Ks, 111 ERA+.
Sam McDowell at 28: 122-109, 2.99 ERA, 2,159 Ks, 119 ERA+.

McDowell had more strikeouts at 28 than any pitcher ever. He burned out because of his own demons. Ryan, though, kept pitching in his difficult-to-catalogue way until his mid-30s, and then in perhaps the most shocking turn of his shocking career, he became an even better pitcher in his late 30s and early 40s. That's the final and most compelling surprise of his career. The best old starting pitchers in the Hall of Fame are probably Phil Niekro, Warren Spahn, Cy Young and Nolan Ryan -- and Ryan was quite unlike the other three.

Anyway, Ryan threw three more no-hitters after he turned 29.

2. Bob Feller (66 WAR) was already legendary by 28, even though he had missed almost four full seasons for World War II. Well, his story is one of the most famous in baseball history -- from walking off an Iowa farm into the big leagues at 17, to his dominance in the three years before the war, to his epic return to baseball in 1946.

Feller's 1946 season -- 42 starts, 36 complete games, 348 Ks, 371 innings, 10 shutouts, and so on -- is one of the best ever for for a pitcher; it might be the best pitcher's year between Walter Johnson's 1913 and Sandy Koufax's 1963. Anyway, by the time he was 28 he had led the league in strikeouts six times, shutouts four times, innings pitched five times and so on.

He had also thrown two no-hitters by then. He would throw a third in 1951, when he was 32 and fading. Feller would only have two or three more good seasons and no transcendent ones after he turned 29.

3. Sandy Koufax (54.5 WAR) was, at 28, probably the best pitcher in baseball -- but only just. He had become a terrific pitcher by the early 1960s, but his breakout year of 1963 had happened when he was 27. He won what some people like to call the pitcher's Triple Crown -- he led the league in wins, ERA and strikeouts.*

*What a shame ... the pitcher's triple crowd is as uninteresting and unrevealing as the hitters' Triple Crown.

Koufax pitched brilliantly for two more years and famously retired at 30. He also threw a fourth no-hitter.

4. Jim Maloney (34.7 WAR) seemed on the path for a Hall of Famer career when injuries crashed his career at 29. He is unquestionably a caution for those of us who believe Verlander will continue to pitch at a high level and will throw more no-hitters. Maloney was probably the third-best pitcher in baseball from 1963-66, though few noticed because the two best pitchers were fairly noticeable: Sandy Koufax and Juan Marichal.

Maloney had a Verlander-like fastball -- or, more correctly, Verlander has a Maloney type fastball -- he could pump it up near 100 and stay there until the end of games. He threw five or more shutouts four times, struck out 200-plus four times, and as he was turning 30 he had a 120 ERA+ and almost 1,600 strikeouts. He also had those two no-hitters -- one of them a 10-inning no-hitter (with 12 strikeouts and 10 walks, yikes), the other a 13-strikeout game.

Those injuries wrecked him. He not only never threw another no-hitter after 29, he never won a big league game he turned 30.

5. Dean Chance (31.9) counts, of course, but he gets in on a technicality. Not only was one of his no-hitters just five perfect innings on a rainy day in Minnesota, he allowed a run in his GOOD no-hitter (allowed it in the second inning on two walks, an error on Cesar Tovar, and a wild pitch). Chance was a very good pitcher, and without exaggeration he threw at least a dozen games in his career that were better than his nine-inning no-hitter, and 70-plus games that had a higher Game Score than his five inning no-hitter.

Chance at age 23 probably had the best year for any American League pitcher in the decade. He threw an amazing 11 shutouts, posted a 1.65 ERA, and won 20. He was never again that good, but he was still a very good pitcher in 1967 and 1968. He had a painful-looking windup and he battled with injuries and ineffectiveness after he turned 28. He threw two one-hitters and nine two-hitters in his career. When he was mowing them down, he was mowing them down.

6. Don Wilson (30.2 WAR) is one of the sadder stories in baseball history. Wilson died at 29, while sitting in his running Ford Thunderbird in the garage. The death was ruled an accident (his young son in the house also died, and his wife and daughter were hospitalized) and it remains a tragic mystery.

Wilson was a good pitcher who had thrown his second no-hitter by the time he was 24. He also had an 18 strikeout game. It certainly looked like there would be other no-hitters, and he did throw a one-hitter in 1971* but he never again threw another no-no.

*That was a weird game. The hit was a double given up to Tony Perez in the second inning, so there was never really a no-hitter threat. After Perez's double, Wilson walked Bernie Carbo, hit George Foster with a pitch, and walked Pat Corrales to allow a run. Darrel Chaney promptly hit into a triple play, and Wilson did not give up a hit the rest of the way.

7. Ken Holtzman (27.5 WAR) was traded by the Cubs to Oakland for Rick Monday before the 1972 season, and at that point he was mostly known just as the slightly above average pitcher who had thrown two no-hitters. He was actually one of the better pitchers in the league in 1970, but few noticed because his 17-11 record and 3.38 ERA didn't get anyone too excited. He was 75-69 with a blah-looking 3.59 ERA in Chicago. Thing is, he was better than his numbers. He pitched half his games at the hitter-friendly confines of Wrigley Field, and he was playing for a doomed Cubs team.

After a poor 1971 season, he was traded to Oakland where suddenly he was pitching in a fabulous pitchers park for a team that would win the next three World Series.Voila: he suddenly "became" a great pitcher. He went 59-41 with a 2.85 ERA those three years and made his only two All-Star appearances.

Was Holtzman a better pitcher in Oakland than in Chicago? Probably not. HIs two best WAR seasons are 1969 and 1970 in Chicago. What seems to have happened is that, with a better defensive team behind him, in a much better hitting ballpark, he simply threw the ball over the plate (his strikeouts plummeted, and so did his walks) and batted balls were turned into outs. And the team scored more runs for him. He never threw another no-hitter after 29, and never really came particularly close to throwing one.

8. Johnny Vandermeer (22.5 WAR), of course, threw back-to-back no-hitters in 1938, the first against the Boston Braves, the second against the Brooklyn Dodgers. Vandermeer was just 23 years old, and he had a great fastball (he would yet lead the league in strikeouts three times) and he certainly looked like a future great. During an eight-game stretch that year -- which included the two no-hitters -- he went 8-0 with a 1.38 ERA and the league hit .139 against him.

Vandermeer had injury issues in 1939 and 1940, then put together those three seasons when he led the league in strikeouts. In those three seasons, he had nine games where he allowed three hits or less, though he never again threw a no-hitter. He went to fight in the war in 1943, and he was not the same pitcher when he returned in 1946.

9. Steve Busby (15.5 WAR) threw his two no-hitters in his first two full seasons -- the only pitcher to do that -- and I suspect he would have thrown at least one more had he stayed healthy. He had a great defensive team behind him, he refused to come out of games (he threw 38 complete games in those two years and stories of his refusals to leave are legendary), and he seemed to be improving as a pitcher. Then he tore his rotator cuff and though he was the first to have rotator cuff surgery and he actually returned to baseball, he was never again entirely healthy or effective.

10. Bill Stoneman (7.7 WAR) almost certainly had the least-effective career among those who had throw multiple no-hitters as a young pitcher. He was already viewed a subpar pitcher at 28 -- he had a great arm, but he had only made a name for his ability not to control his fastball. He had twice led the league in walks, and twice more led the league in hitting batters. When he was on, he was on -- he threw 15 shutouts in his career, tying him with Blue Moon Odom for the most among non-Deadball-pitchers with a 90 or worse ERA+. After 28, his career would collapse entirely. He went 5-16 with a 6.55 ERA in two painful years.

So that's all of them. What does this tell us about Verlander? Well, first we have to ask what kind of pitcher Justin Verlander is: In his career, he is 86-55 with a 118 ERA+, he had led the league in strikeouts and he has thrown 100 mph fastballs in the ninth inning of games. I actually think Verlander's been even better than that -- his record and ERA+ are marred by his one bad season, 2008, when things just didn't go well. Take away that season, as I'm sure he would like to, and he's actually 75-38 with a 125 ERA+ and a better than 3-to-1 strikeout to walk ratio.

My understanding is that Jack Morris took Verlander to task a bit the other day, called him a bit too infatuated with the strikeout, suggested that he has underachieved. Morris was a near-great pitcher and he has seen Verlander pitch much more than I have, so I don't doubt his analysis. But I also think he might be a bit hard on the kid. Verlander's been pretty darned good, and he only turned 28 in February.

I think Verlander at this point would probably compare with the top half of the multiple-no hitter list. Jim Maloney seems the best direct comparison, but Verlander throws about as hard as anybody ever including those top three guys, Ryan, Feller and Koufax. I think if you throw that hard, low-hit games are just a natural part of things. Look at some of the starters generally viewed to have the greatest fastballs:

-- Nolan Ryan (seven no-hitters)
-- Sandy Koufax (four no-hitters)
-- Bob Feller (three no-hitters)
-- Randy Johnson (two no-hitters)
-- Walter Johnson (one no-hitter)
-- Pedro Martinez (nine perfect innings, lost perfecto in 10th)
-- Sam McDowell (zero no-hitters but four one-hitters)
-- Roger Clemens (zero no-hitters but two 20-strikeout, zero-walk games)

And so on. Clemens' lack of a no-hitter is kind of stunning -- in fact, he only had a single one-hitter in his career. And if Roger Clemens can go a whole career with his stuff and never throw a no-hitter, well, that tells you how hard and random no-hitters can be.

But I expect that if Justin Verlander can stay healthy, if he can maintain his stuff for a while longer, he will be in position to throw more no-hitters. And he has shown that if he is in position to do it, he can finish the job. In his first no-hitter, he got two strikeouts and a fly ball in the final inning. In his last, he finished the job off with a strikeout of Rajai Davis with an 88-mph slider. Two pitches earlier, he had thrown a 100 mph fastball.

You never can predict health, and you never can predict the vagaries of pitching. But I think a healthy Justin Verlander will be one of the best pitchers in baseball for a while. And I think he will throw another no-no before he's through.

28 comments:

  1. Circle me, Andy Hawkins.

    I lost all respect for Jack Morris, the person, when he said that crummy thing to that female intern in the 80s.

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  2. Joe, I'm surprised you didn't mention Jim Maloney's 'first' no-hitter. I remember being a young Met fan listening to Maloney mow down the Mets for nine innings without allowing a hit. The problem for Maloney was that the Reds hadn't scored any runs so it was on to extra innings. Maloney completed the 10th inning without allowing a hit but finally lost the game in the 11th inning on a Johnny Lewis home run. Maloney was actually credited with a no-hitter until MLB changed the rules regarding no-hitters broken up in extra innings.

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  3. A couple things about Holtzman:

    * He had no strikeouts in his first no-hitter, against a good-hitting Braves team in 1969. The wind was blowing in strongly that day, and one ball in particular, hit by Hank Aaron, was blown back into the park where the catch was made at the wall.

    * He did come close to a third no-hitter, against the weak 1975 Tigers, but Bill North (another ex-Cub) lost Tom Veryzer's fly in the sun and it fell for a double with two outs in the ninth.

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  4. I like that line "nobody at that point knew if Ryan was a GREAT pitcher or merely a singular one."
    Perhaps that is why I've never really thought of Ryan as being that good.
    I probably wrote him off too early.
    I remember thinking in the 70's that if he was so good, he would have won more games.
    84 WAR
    Shows what I know.
    I also thought that many writers covered his pitching so well into his forties as if Satchel Paige never existed.
    That probably isn't Ryan's fault, is it?
    I have a close friend who's a huge Tigers fan.
    Thank goodness Liriano threw his - infinitely less transcendent no hitter earlier in the week!

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  5. Jim Maloney and Don Wilson are also eternally linked in that their second no-hitters came in consecutive games involving the Reds and Astros (April 30 and May 1 of 1969 - the only other time two clubs exchanged no-hitters in consecutive games was September 17 and 18 of 1968 when the Giants and Cardinals turned the trick).

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  6. " The best old starting pitchers in the Hall of Fame are probably Phil Niekro, Warren Spahn, Cy Young and Nolan Ryan -- and Ryan was quite unlike the other three."


    Indeed, Ryan is the only one who likely used PEDs.

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  7. IN a sabermetric world, isn't a no-hitter (much like a cycle) kind of an odd thing to acknowledge? I mean, you can give up a run AND take a loss in a no-hitter.

    IN fact, with its focus on hits, isn't it a relic of the days when only hits mattered and walks and errors don't?

    Just asking. . . .

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  8. The Dean Chance season you reference (which was 1964) produced one of the more amazing statistics, IMHO, in baseball history. That year, he started 5 games against the eventual pennant-winning Yankees. They may not have been the '61 Yanks, but they were still good enough to win 99 games, most in the majors.

    In those 5 starts, Chance pitched 50(!) innings (no, that's not a typo -- 4 complete games, 3 of which were shutouts, and 14 scoreless innings in a 15-inning loss*). He gave up one (yes, 1) run. Chance's ERA that year, against the defending WS Champ, 99-game-winning, NY Yankees, was 0.18 -- or an (unadjusted) ERA+ of 2,014.

    *Apparently, they should have left him in for the 15th.

    Has anyone else ever so dominated the pennant-winning team in MLB history? I doubt it.

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  9. Your mention of the "unrevealing and uninteresting" Triple Crown categories sets up a perfect future post: What should the hitting and pitching Triple Crown categories be and who has "won" them?

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  10. What did Jack Morris say to the intern? I haven't heard that story.

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  11. Hmmph. Verlander should have been pitching to the score in Toronto on Saturday. With such a big lead, he should have throwing batting practice fast balls up there rather than trying for the no-hitter.

    Jack Morris

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  12. Ethe-
    I have always thought a cycle was a strange thing to acknowledge, because they're so inherently fluky. It's a collection of four hits in whatever number of plate appearance you happen to get that day. It's not a reflection of talent at all: George Brett hit for the cycle, but then so did Neifi Perez.

    I think recognizing no-hitters is still legitimate. Walks or no, you are retiring 27 major league batters without allowing a hit. Sure, your defense may or may not provide a lot of help, but it just FEELS like a more meaningful accomplishment than a cycle.

    FWIW, there have been 249 cycles since 1900, vs. only 229 no-hitters.

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  13. Was Maloney really the third best SP during those years, ahead of a Bob Gibson?

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  14. I love Joe's "anyways" sentences - "Anyway, he threw three more no-hitters after he turned 29." They remind me of Quint's "Anyway, we delivered the bomb." The historical achievement is just a footnote to the really interesting stuff.

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  15. I like thinking about no-hitters until I remember I'm a Mets fan, and then I feel a bit feeble. It drives me nuts that Doc Gooden had one as a YANKEE (if memory serves, Giuliani wanted to, and maybe did designate a "Doc Gooden day"). Anyway, I'm sure one of these days, Dickey will spin one out.

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  16. Jack Morris, first six years: 68-52, 3.77 ERA, 108 ERA+, 1.29 WHIP, 533Ks, 4.5K/9

    Justin Verlander, first six years: 83-52, 3.81 ERA, 118 ERA+, 1.26 WHIP, 965Ks, 8.2K/9

    Seems to me it's Verlander who should be giving advice to Morris...

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  17. The age 29 cut off is a bit of an arbitrary end point and intentionally misses soft tossing Mark Buehrle who threw his second no hitter at age 30.

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  18. the Don Wilson info is fascinating. Has a pitcher ever thrown a no-hitter and had a triple play behind him?

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  19. I think the no hitter matters because hits still do matter.

    Even the most sabermetrically inclined will tell you that a double is better than a walk and while walks do matter, and matter greatly, BA is still used as a statistic for a reason because the ability to tell how many hits a hitter has is good. (BAs biggest flaw is the AB part of the equation not the H part)

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  20. No-hitters will always matter. I'm as sabr-inclined as anyone on here, and I will agree that no-hitters can be flukey, but they'll always fascinate baseball fans. Even though the primary job of a batter is to get on base using any means necessary, when you get down to the root of baseball, the batter stands up there with a stick to try to whack a rapidly-moving ball into a place where it won't be caught. When the pitcher avoids that for an entire game, it's an awesome feat. Even rabid statheads like myself will always appreciate an achievement of that magnitude.

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  21. I attended Verlander's first complete game shutout (at KC) in 2006. We had great seats, close enough to watch the movement of the pitches and call balls and strikes. The game was quickly out of hand, but we were mesmerized watching Verlander pitch. He was nasty in every sense. Velocity, movement, control. After letting up 2 of his 5 hits in the ninth, he struck out the next batter with a 100 mph fastball. My friend and I discussed a no hitter and Cy Young in his future that night. He has not gotten a Cy yet, but I was not surprised when he got his first two no hitters, and I won't be surprised if he gets his third.

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  22. Davidpwcrowse, the age-29 cutoff was because Verlander is 29. Like the post says.

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  23. "Not only was one of his no-hitters just five perfect innings on a rainy day in Minnesota"

    Joe, you do realize that that doesn't count as a no-hitter at all, right? That by rule a no-hitter has to go nine innings to count?

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  24. Johnny Vandermeer is my go-to answer to this question. What record in MLB is least likely to be broken? To break his record of 2 no hitters, someone would have to throw 3 in a row.

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  25. edward said...
    Has a pitcher ever thrown a no-hitter and had a triple play behind him?


    Went and ran with this, edward. Answer is no, never, and never one turned by the no-hit opposition, either.

    However, a no-hitter has been thrown and a triple play has occurred on the same day six times in history, as follows.

    No Hit Pitcher Teams Date Triple Play Teams

    Fraser PHI-CHI NL 9/18/03 NYG-CIN

    Rucker BKN-BOS NL 9/5/08 PHI-MYG

    Bush PHI-CLE AL 8/26/16 NYY-STL

    Robertson CHI-DET 4/30/22 CLE-STL

    Maglie BKN-PHI 9/25/56 STL-CHC

    Koufax LAD PHI 6/4/64 MIL CIN

    Palmer BAL OAK 8/13/69 SDP CHC

    Robertson's no-hitter was a perfecto.

    Interesting that after 1922 it would be 34 years before another perfect game and 34 years before a no-hitter and a triple play took place on the same day.

    Maglie's no-no was in fact the last one before Larsen's perfect game against the Dodgers.

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