I'm trying very hard to see Jim Riggleman's side of the story. I really am. I want to sympathize with him. I want to root for him. I want to side against management. I am a sucker for stories about unreasonable bosses. I am a fan of the "take this job and shove it," brand of entertainment. Sometimes, in airports, just for fun, I will listen to two people rip their bosses and enjoy the conversation even though I have no idea what they're talking about.
Here, though, is how I understand the Riggleman story.
1. A manager who had a .444 winning percentage with three teams was hired as an interim manager for the sad sack Washington Nationals. His team played .440 baseball the rest of the way, which was moderately less putrid than they had played before he was hired. And so he was given the job full time.
2. In his first full year, the Nationals lost 93 games. That's .426 baseball. That was moderately less stinky than they had played the year before. He was kept on as manager.
3. The Nationals got off to a 27-36 start, which is .429 baseball. Riggleman reportedly had already begun griping that he was hamstrung because he did not have a contract for 2012.
4. The Nationals won 11 of 12 games to push their record above .500 for the first time. Reading between the lines of the column from the great Tom Boswell, it seems clear that Riggleman never stopped complaining about his contract situation.
5. On the day of the 12th game, Riggleman made it clear he wanted to have a conversation with GM Mike Rizzo about his contract and his future. Rizzo, with his silence, made it clear had no interest in having that conversation. This led Riggleman to say that if they did not talk, he was not going with the team to Chicago. This led Rizzo to not have a conversation.
6. Riggleman quit with the now famous words: "I'm too old to be disrespected."
Now, I don't know what it is like to work for Mike Rizzo. Maybe he's an impossible guy to deal with. And I suspect the Nationals do not exactly go out of their way to make their employees feel special. Riggleman was reportedly the lowest-paid manager in baseball (though $600 grand a year isn't exactly testing minimum wage laws), and I'd be willing to bet he was not treated like one of the great geniuses of modern civilization. I'm sure he heard whispers that the Nationals were not bringing him back in 2012. And I can understand the frustration this might have caused.
Here's the thing, and I mean this with deep respect: He is JIM RIGGLEMAN. It seems difficult for me to believe that he was unaware of this. His teams have never won a World Series. His teams have never won a pennant. His teams have only once made the playoffs, and that was a not-especially great 89-win Cubs team that won a one-game playoff. Ten of his 12 teams had losing records in his span as skipper. He lost 100 with a Padres team that was in the playoffs two years after he got canned. He lost 95 with a Cubs team that made the playoffs the very next year. For managers with 1,400 or more games, no one from 1900 on has a lower winning percentage than Jim Riggleman, and that INCLUDES this lovely little winning stretch. That amazing thing to me, I am forced to admit, is not that Riggleman did not get a contract extension. It is that he had a contract in the first place.
With that in mind, Riggleman threatening to quit if he didn't get a contract extension is so bizarre that it kind of reminds me of Kramer getting fired on Seinfeld.
Kramer: "But I don't even work here."
Boss: "That's what makes this so difficult."
Riggleman: If you don't discuss a contract extension I'm not getting on the bus.
Rizzo: ...
Riggleman: I quit. I'm too old to be disrespected.
Now, my hope is this: Jim Riggleman doesn't want to ever manage another baseball team. This this might make some sense. Maybe he just broke. Maybe he had enough of the game and the losing and the agony of it all -- maybe he's like Crash Davis storming out of the manager's office by saying: "Bleep this bleeping game." Maybe after dealing with all the incompetence, the bitterness, the annoyances, the player complaints, the errors, the small-ball that didn't work, the intentional walks that blew up, the unrealistic expectations of management, all of it, he just decided that he'd had enough. Of course, if that was the case I think it would have played better if he just said that instead of playing it the way he did it.
But maybe that's what happened here. I hope so because if Riggleman somehow believes that he has a career in baseball management after this well, um, no, I don't see it. I mean, when you take out all the noise, it comes down to this: HE QUIT ON HIS TEAM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON. Why? Because he wanted his contract extended. This is a sport where Hanley Ramirez was excoriated because he kind of jogged after a ball in the outfield. How much worse is this? Jim Riggleman quit on his team and his players over his contract. I want, so much, to sympathize with him, but it's hard to get much less admirable than that. The only thing missing from his career suicide was a note.
If Jim Riggleman's team had kept winning, he almost certainly would have been the Nationals manager next year. And the Nationals -- with Stephen Strasburg getting healthy and Bryce Harper on the way and so on -- seem to have a pretty exciting future. Those possibilities were there to be grabbed -- even if Washington let him go, another team might have hired him. He walked away instead. It seems clear from the way everything has played out that Jim Riggleman felt like what he did was right, that he was standing up for some grand principle here. What principle? That's what I've been trying to figure out. The "I deserve a contract extension" principle makes no sense to me. The "I cannot function without guarantees" principle makes even less sense. The "Nationals are a bad organization," principle seems true, but they're the ones who hired Riggleman in the first place.
I suppose the one principle I get is respect: Rigglman deserved to have the ear of his general manager when something was really bothering him. But even here: How far does that respect have to go? If I'm a GM, why do I have to talk about Jim Riggleman's contract extension now -- just because they won a few games in a row? Win some games. Do your job. We'll talk money later. I think of the scene from The Paper when Glenn Close chases the publisher of the paper into the men's room to try and get a raise. I mean, give it a rest.
In any case, I can't see that being a principal worth quitting over. Of course, it's not my life. In the end, it was Jim Riggleman's decision to quit, and he has every right to do that. I want to respect him for it. But I can't. And I sure as heck wouldn't hire him.
Well-said.
ReplyDeleteGreat points, Joe.
ReplyDeleteOn your take about the Nationals organization: Rizzo probably is not a pleasant guy to deal with, and he may have come dangerously close to lying while he was trying to handle the mess yesterday. One angle that might be missing is this: Rizzo was in a very similar situation as Riggleman was a year after becoming Bowden's successor as GM. It took him a lot longer to get a long-term deal than many thought it should have taken. He never complained, did a few moves Stan Kasten and ownership seemed to like, and finally got rewarded.
Against this backdrop, Riggleman's strategy is all the more puzzling. He, who very much needed as well to prove himself after the very mediocre career he's had, did exactly what Rizzo never did. Complain and try to force his bosses' hand. Really shocking that Rizzo did not like this...
Is there any doubt he would have had the option picked up, unless they just collapse in the second half? I'd say there's an 80 percent chance, at worst, he would have been back. And someone else would have hired him if he wasn't.
ReplyDeleteHe "LeBronned" the Nationals.
ReplyDeleteI think it's entirely possible that Jim was hearing whispers in the organization that he was going to be replaced. After all, what Joe pointed out (they're likely to get better soon) is hardly secret knowledge, and it wouldn't be shocking if the organization wanted a new manager to go with their "new" team.
ReplyDeletePerhaps Jim saw the writing on the wall, and thought his best bet for being retained was to try and put public pressure on the team.
Wrong Joe, sorry I think you are missing the point...though you clearly see the obvious
ReplyDeleteThe "I deserve a contract extension" principle DOES makes sense simply because what other options do the 'Natinals' have? They are the most embarrasing MLB franchise right now with the recent scandals, losing, the Werth contract and plain ineptitude. The focus of this team should be to show the kids what they need to do, and establish some professionalism. Have you ever tried to be the boss when everyone assumes you wont be around anyway? Even with his past, he did better with pretty much the same, and stability is what this team needs. Rizzo dropped the ball.
The "I cannot function without guarantees" principle makes sense for the reasons stated above. The Nationals aren't going anywhere for the next few years. So by extending the contract of a manager who has done a decent job is just logical. Considering the price of the option, what do they have to lose, really? Strasburg, Harper and whoever else are not going to make a difference anytime soon. However, Rizzo could have established a small degree of continuity. Now they have to start over, and you know what they say about a bird in the hand...
They should have given a loyal guy another year, which would have at the least kept them where they are: a team that has some solid young prospects, that seems to have figured out how to play, and that is experiencing some continuity.
Simply put, extending Riggleman would not have jeapardized anything the Nats have going for them.
If the Nationals had kept on winning, Riggleman could have spent the next three months making semi-obvious illusions to the fact that he didn't have a guaranteed contract for next season. The Washington writers, led by Boswell, would eat that up and wonder aloud about the contract for Riggleman. He would get all kinds of attention, probably Manager of the Year votes, and either a new deal with the Nationals or one with another club.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that all of it comes down to four simple words: "If they keep winning."
If anyone is going to know the chances a team has to keep playing well, it is usually going to be the manager, even if they don't want to admit it publicly. So he could easily be, as they say, gettin' while the gettin's good. Not that anyone will want to hire the captain that wouldn't go down with his ship, but it would keep some of the stain of the losing off of him.
It seems like both sides handled this poorly. I can't imagine him getting another managers job anytime soon after this, so it's hard to see the justification on his end. Seems like he should have just finished up the year, and whatever happens happens.
ReplyDelete"If Jim Riggleman's team had kept winning, he almost certainly would have been the Nationals manager next year."
ReplyDeleteThen why couldn't Rizzo have said that? I'm pretty sure him saying that would have prevented this from happening.
The only reason I can see any side of it for Riggleman is that it's baseball, and it seems to be absolutely impermissible for a non-interim manager to ever have a contract that ends in the current year. I don't know why this is the case, it is absurd, but it seems to be the case. For the organization to balk at even giving Jim Riggleman a $600,000 guarantee that he will either be working or drinking top shelf margaritas from his retirement villa next year looks pretty chintzy for a club that gave Werth an $18 million avg. deal (though it already is proving to be a better deal than Carl Crawford's -- and Crawford's strained hammy could be the beginning of the end).
ReplyDeleteBut, that said, Riggleman was an infuriating manager to watch. The Nationals' April 30 game against the Giants was the worst managed game I'd seen in my entire life. If you just look at the play-by-play for the 7th and 8th innings, you get every piece of evidence you need. He's a manager who manages so relentlessly by the book that he doesn't stop to consider whether 1) his team has done anything right -- both by pinch hitting for one of the few hitters who had any success in April and replacing a power threat with someone who'd have to go above and beyond himself to get a single (then requiring at least a hit or three walks to score) and 2) whether playing by the platoon splits makes any sense when it would require you to intentionally walk sub-.200 hitters like Eli Whiteside to pitch to dangerous hitters like Aubrey Huff.
Top 7: 1-1
- M. Tejada singled to second
- C. Ross fouled out to catcher
- M. Fontenot ground rule double to deep center, M. Tejada to third
- E. Whiteside intentionally walked
- A. Huff hit for G. Mota
- A. Huff walked, M. Tejada scored, M. Fontenot to third, E. Whiteside to second
Bottom 8: 2-1 Giants
S. Romo relieved J. Affeldt
W. Ramos struck out swinging
L. Nix hit for M. Morse
J. Lopez relieved S. Romo
B. Bixler hit for L. Nix
B. Bixler flied out to right
It's another black eye for a franchise that needs something good, and for that reason, I'm sad that they didn't just give Riggleman $600K and tell him he was fired in October if they felt it necessary. But I'm not crying as a baseball fan.
I guess I am not that convinced that keeping winning was going to guarantee Riggleman a job. Ask Buck Showalter if just "winning" and building a young team means you get to stick around for the payoff.
ReplyDeleteHere's what strikes me as odd. Riggleman just quit. Less than a week ago Edwin Rodriguez quit (although it's entirely possible that his "resignation" was due to pressure from ownership.) When was the last time a manager just up and resigned? Managers get fired or (for a lucky few) retire.
ReplyDeleteThis is the first thought that came to my mind while reading this: if Riggleman is a bad manager -- and using career winning percentage as a proxy, he's certainly a bad manager -- why would the players *care* if he quit on his team in the middle of the season (all caps in the original; I'll spare my caps lock key the stress)? In fact, perhaps the players all thought he was doing them a favor by leaving.
ReplyDeleteRegardless, I'm not sure why a subsequent team would even consider the fact when evaluating him for an opening. A contract is merely a legally enforceable agreement. It's not a moral obligation or a badge of honor or an indication of one's manliness, let alone a test of managerliness, to make up a word.
A more interesting question is why teams even use managers anymore, at least in anything more than a ceremonial role. At the very least a computer algorithm could come up with all the decisions that Jim Riggleman does and probably finish with a similar record. It would cost much less than $600k and of course could be programmed never to ask for a contract extension.
The upside...well, the upside is probably too thrilling even to get into here.
I don't at all understand the "I cannot function without a guarantee" claim. Why not? Does anyone really think that the players spend a whit of time thinking about the contract status of their manager, and even if they did, that it would impact their play in any way? I think the team would function fine without him having a firm contract status; it's him who couldn't function without it.
ReplyDeleteWhatever the case, it was a very poor strategy for Riggleman. Not only did it not work, but I seriously wonder whether he ever considered the impact of its potential failure on his ability to ever work in baseball again. Because I can't imagine any rational employer hiring someone with that episode on his resume...
Kevin, a thought experiment:
ReplyDeleteConsider two situations:
a. Manager is firmly entrenched job, has 4 years remaining on his contract
b. Manager has interim status, and it is widely rumored that he will be replaced at the end of the year
Now, imagine a rookie coming off a successful minor league career, and his manager tells him that he wants him to retool his swing, but he disagrees. Do you think he would react the same to both manager a and manager b?
Do you remember an NFL offensive co-ordinator called Bob Gibson? Hw was fired after the "Miracle at the Meadowlands", when he lost the game by not calling a kneel-down at the end.
ReplyDeleteThat's where Jim Riggleman's job prospects are right now.
Marco:
ReplyDeleteI'd agree with you that Riggleman may not be able to convince his rookies to retool their swing because he hasn't been given that "vote of confidence." Is that level of control really necessary to being a manager though? Only 30 guys get that job - it's very competitive, and Riggleman wasn't (and certainly now isn't) on the top tier of candidates. He just didn't have the credibility to make these kinds of demands.
If I was a GM, I'd want the guy who will work with what he has and not complain, rather than the guy who needs everything his way. Personally, I've never had a boss who does things my way rather than his way. If you have, what a blessed life you live.
His bluff wasn't even called, it was ignored. Riggleman knew exactly where he stood, on the outside. His best chance at any leverage was when the team was playing well, before July when potential trades for Marquis and other useful players may happen and the record decline. The Nats were keeping their options open, hoping for a chance at a better manager. If that didn't happen, or if next year was also going to start out as a lost cause, then the option might have been exercised. Either way, Rizzo had kind of given his the answer in the same way a free agent does at the beginning of the year, no contract discussions during the season, so saying we ARE going to talk about it, or I'm quitting, is an ultimatum whether he wants to call it that or not.
ReplyDeleteMaybe there's more to this story, but doesn't he have some responsibility to the players he manages? This isn't a manager resigning for a personal/health reason, and it isn't a resignation in protest because members of his staff were fired, and it isn't a resignation because the front office demeaned him in public. He's not happy with his contract situation-and he walks. How does he possibly manage again? What does he say to the player who fails to run out a ground ball, or loafs in the outfield? Or shows up late for practice? Who would trust this guy to instill work ethic and respect for the game?
ReplyDelete"He lost 95 with a Cubs team that made the playoffs the very next year. "
ReplyDeleteWEAK research. The Cubs were even worse after Riggs left as they lost 97 in Don Baylor's first season.
"Here's the thing, and I mean this with deep respect: He is JIM RIGGLEMAN. It seems difficult for me to believe that he was unaware of this. His teams have never won a World Series. His teams have never won a pennant. His teams have only once made the playoffs, and that was a not-especially great 89-win Cubs team that won a one-game playoff. Ten of his 12 teams had losing records in his span as skipper. He lost 100 with a Padres team that was in the playoffs two years after he got canned. He lost 95 with a Cubs team that made the playoffs the very next year. For managers with 1,400 or more games, no one from 1900 on has a lower winning percentage than Jim Riggleman, and that INCLUDES this lovely little winning stretch. That amazing thing to me, I am forced to admit, is not that Riggleman did not get a contract extension. It is that he had a contract in the first place."
ReplyDeleteWell, he was willing to work for the money and a one-year deal. That's why he had a contract.
I think it is inconsistent to characterize Riggleman solely by his won-loss record when you championed Bert Blyleven in spite of his win-loss record.
When you say the 1999 Cubs lost 95 games you are right. When you say the team went to the playoffs the next year, you are wrong; they went 65-97 (even worse) under Don Baylor, who'd been Mgr. of the Year in 1995.
I think you are relying too much on your colleague Boswell's take; he's never been a Riggleman fan. I thought the bit where he and Stan Kasten laughed over Riggleman's record vis a vis Pythagorean was unprofessional. I KNOW it was unprofessional to burn his source as he did in the column linked. Riggleman's take of Boswell -- that all he knows about baseball is what he learned from following the Orioles teams of the 70s, 80s and 90s -- is painfully accurate. (As Mr. Boswell is a person whom I have held in high regard, it pains me to write this.) And it has been clear for a while that he was simply parroting Rizzo's thoughts; that column looks like Rizzo dictated it.
It is clear that Riggleman correctly assessed the situation, in that the Nats were not going to bring him back; they were stringing him along. At age 58, he needs this? Your self-respect isn't worth four months of salary.
Riggleman is what he is. He's got about the same winning percentage at age 58 as Joe Torre had at age 54. Yeah, he resigned when the team wouldn't give him an extension, but Charlie Manuel wanted an extension from the Indians, who also wouldn't give him one, and the only reason HE didn't quit was because he was fired first. Things worked out OK for him.
I was at Riggleman's last game, the high-water point in the Nats' history since 2005. By the time I walked to my car and turned on the radio, Rizzo was on the podium announcing the resignation.
ReplyDeleteFor a day and a half, there was a sort of awkward feeling of mourning or something, a kind of "oh my God, this is awful" air that seemed to hover over discussions of the team.
But after Riggleman's media tour trying to explain himself all day on Friday, followed up with the Nats' gutsy 14-inning win against the White Sox Friday night/Saturday morning, one has to arrive at this conclusion:
Nothing at all happened to Riggleman this week. Nobody did anything to him. Yet HE QUIT. And he quit on the most triumphant day since the team came to DC.
Fortunately for the team and the fans, Friday night's performance shows that, not only did Riggleman overestimate his value to the front office, he probably overestimated his value to the team.
I liked him while he was here, but after Thursday, good riddance.
Sometimes the worst thing about a job is the people you work with. Being the manager of an MLB team seems like one of the greatest jobs in the world. But if you can't stand your boss, and you think your boss is disrespecting you, it might be the most miserable job in the world. Maybe that's what happened to Riggleman.
ReplyDeleteI know nothing about the situation, so I'm just guessing. But it sure sounds like a lot of personal stuff went wrong here.
I seem to remember hearing reports that Marquis was openly dogging Riggleman in the dugout nonstop during a game, recently. That it continued in the clubhouse after the game, and that Riggleman felt that the FO was not supporting him. It's likely that this was not an isolated incident. And I think it's likely that having a guaranteed future with the organization, or a vote of confidence from the FO would help in dealing with these types of situations, at least in Riggleman's mind. A manager can't do his job effectively if players openly disrespect him or he is being publicly challenged, and no one has his back, so to speak. This kind of report is what makes it so hard for me to pick a side in this. I don't blame anyone involved, really, because I just don't know enough about the situation.
ReplyDeleteWhile I agree with kcgard2 on not knowing enough about the situation to really judge it, I tend to be anti-Riggleman in this one simply because of the contract. Maybe I am old fashioned but I still believe if the sanctity of a commitment. Baring some gross lack of moral principle(nothing that could be tied into a baseball contract), I believe you honor your contract. Riggleman signed the deal initially. Rizzo and co. didn't owe him anything beyond that. If he went 130-32, they are still within their right to not retain him. The time to make this decision was before signing the contract. Not now. This makes him look much closer to Bobby Petrino than it does a sympathetic figure.
ReplyDeleteMost effective baseball employment ploy since Derek Bell's "Operation Shutdown."
ReplyDeleteBaseball managers, as Keith Law pointed out recently, hardly matter. Players win games, not managers. I find the premise that "the Nationals are not going anywhere in the next few years" and therefore should hang on to a not-even-mediocre manager fairly absurd. They have amassed quite a collection of young talent, most of which (Zimmerman, Zimmermann, Strasburg, Ramos, Espinosa, Morse, Desmond, Storen, possibly Harper) will all be playing next year in DC. Is a guy with a .440 career record bitching for an extension really going to be the one to motivate that group to win? I doubt it. Sparky Anderson said it best; "My job as manager is to keep the 5 guys who hate me away from the 20 who are undecided."
ReplyDeleteMarco,
ReplyDeleteManagers typically don't make decisions about whether or not to retool someone's swing. That decision is usually proposed and implemented by hitting coaches, and occasionally proposed from higher up the organizational depth chart than the manager, who is really just a middle manager of one team (in most cases).
Other sports' coaches with roughly a .445 winning percentage, approximating for hockey:
ReplyDeleteNFL: Gary Kubiak
NBA: Bernie Bickerstaff
NHL: Jack Evans (California Golden Seals, Cleveland Barons, Hartford Whalers)
@lionoah wrote "what other options do the 'Natinals' [sic] have? They are the most embarrasing MLB franchise right now with the recent scandals, losing, the Werth contract and plain ineptitude."
ReplyDeleteWhat, did I miss some news that the National League kicked Los Angeles out? Because no team in the history of sport is remotely close to being the embarrassment that the Dodgers have become.