Friday, July 1, 2011

14 Crazy Baseball Facts

First: Nothing that follows is serious. None of it. You know how David Letterman, before Stupid Pet Tricks, would always say: "Please, no wagering." I want to say "Please, no conclusions." Because what follows is just a list of 14 baseball facts that shocked the heck out of me ... nothing more. I am not saying, suggesting or even hinting that Luis Gonzalez should be compared to Al Kaline or that Dan Quisenberry was better than Mariano Rivera. That's not the point at all. This is supposed to be pure fun. I hope, at least one, you might read it and think: "Wow, I wouldn't have guessed that."

The idea for this list sparked this week when Johnny Damon got the 2,654th hit of his career. This tied him with Ted Williams. And it AMAZES me. It doesn't amaze me in the larger context. Damon has 1,500 more at-bats than Williams. When I tweeted about, people immediately sniped with the point that Ted Williams went to war twice -- a fact that, it is at least possible, I already knew. But that's what I mean about taking stuff seriously. I'm not suggesting that Johnny Damon is as good a hitter as Ted Williams or half as good or a quarter as good. Johnny Damon's BEST full offensive season (2000 was no slouch of a year -- for Kansas City, he hit .327, scored 136 runs, led the league with 46 stolen bases) was probably not as good as Ted Williams WORST full offensive season (1956, when he hit .345/.479/.605 in 503 plate appearances).

And yes, Ted Williams went to war. Twice.

But that does not change this: Johnny Damon has as many hits as Ted Williams. If you phrase the question right, you could probably win a free beer with the next time you're at a bar with that one. It's something fun to talk about.

So, I spent a day just looking around and came up with 14 little baseball facts -- maybe they are conversations starters, maybe they will win you a bar bet, maybe they will just give you a fun little buzz. And maybe they will inspire you to write in the comments: "So, wait, are you crazy? Are you really saying that Ron Kittle was better than Lou Gehrig?"

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.



14. Johnny Damon has as many hits as Ted Williams (2,654 hits).

-- I am working on a Derek Jeter piece for his 3,000th hit, and it has pushed me to think about what 3,000 hits means. Of course, every player who has ever gotten 3,000 hits was a terrific player. But Babe Ruth didn't get 3,000 hits. Ted Williams didn't. Rogers Hornsby, Joe DiMaggio, Barry Bonds, Lou Gehrig ... I'd say if you put together the best team you could find of hitters who DID NOT get 3,000 hits would beat the team of players who DID get 3,000 hits.

Team with 3,000 hits:
1B: Stan Musial
2B: Eddie Collins
SS: Cal Ripken (or Jeter soon)
3B: George Brett
LF: Ty Cobb (or Rickey or Yaz)
CF: Willie Mays
RF: Hank Aaron (or Clemente or Kaline)
C: None (Ivan Rodriguez only one with 2,500 hits)

That team is amazing. But look at the non-3,0000hit team.

Team without 3,000 hits
1B: Lou Gehrig
2B: Joe Morgan (or Hornsby)
SS: Honus Wagner
3B: Mike Schmidt (or A-Rod)
LF: Ted Williams (or Barry Bonds)
CF: Mickey Mantle (or DiMaggio)
RF: Babe Ruth
C: Johnny Bench (or Yogi)

As good as that first team is, I'd have to take the second. Not that this is surprising -- you have a much larger group to choose from with non-3,000 hits. But that's the point here: Three thousand hits isn't exactly about excellence. It is about something a little bit more subtle and, in its own way, wonderful. As mentioned: I write a lot about this in the Jeter piece.

Has Johnny Damon been a great hitter? No. He has occasionally been great, often been good, sometimes been average or below. But he has always been available. While the Damon-has-as-many-hits-as-Williams stat might mean nothing, here's s stat that could carry some weight: Damon has played more than 140 games every single year since 1996. And he probably will do it again this year. That will make SIXTEEN STRAIGHT SEASONS that Johnny Damon has played more than 140 games.

How rare is that? Well ... Hank Aaron did it. Brooks Robinson did it. Pete Rose did it. And, yep, that's it. Those are the only three players in baseball history who have played 140-plus for 16 straight years. And nobody has ever done it 17 straight.

13. Tim Raines (3977) reached base more times than Tony Gwynn (3955).

If you read this blog occasionally -- or like to surf the baseball corner of the Internet -- you have probably seen this stat. Tim Raines and Tony Gwynn had almost identical length careers. Raines had his first full season in 1982, which was Gwynn's first partial season. Gwynn retired in 2001; Raines in 2002.

Raines came to the plate 10,359 times. Gwynn came to the plate 10,232 times.

Raines reached base 22 more times than Gwynn. Now, I will admit that I sometimes use this statistic for more than quirky fun ... I try to use it to show just how great a player Tim Raines really was. Gwynn's greatness was more obvious because of the high batting averages, the eight batting titles, the hit totals and so on. Raines greatness was less obvious because so much of his value was tied up in walks and stolen bases and because after he turned 35 he became more or a role player.

But this doesn't detract from the statistic: The idea offensively for pretty much anyone -- but especially for players like Raines and Gwynn who didn't hit for great power -- is to reach base. Not make outs. Raines was just about as good at it as Gwynn. And in part because he was perhaps the greatest percentage base runner in baseball history, he also scored 180 more runs than Gwynn over his career.

I hope the bulk of the 97.6% of Hall of Famer voters who voted Gwynn on first ballot will come to realize that Tim Raines was about as good a baseball player as Tony Gwynn ... he just did it a bit differently.

But more, if you have a friend who is just a casual baseball fan, you can DEFINITELY win a bar bet on this one.

12. Luis Gonzalez has more extra-base hits than Al Kaline (1,018 to 972).

The Selig Era of offense created all sorts of quirky careers. At age 29 -- this would have been after the 1997 season -- his list of most comparable players included: Mel Hall, Von Hayes, Dan Ford, Ben Grieve and Willie Crawford.

At age 39, his comps included: Dave Winfield, Andre Dawson, Tony Perez, Dave Parker and, yes Al Kaline.

Luis Gonzalez his 596 doubles in his career, which is 15th on the all-time list. He hit 52 doubles at the grand old age of 38 -- only Tris Speaker managed that little feat. While Kaline spent much of his time struggling with injuries and a decidedly pitcher-dominated game (and he did not really have a great season after age 32), Gonzalez had a marvelous stretch of health in his 30s and played in a time when -- for all the reasons you have considered -- baseballs soared.

And, it's a good reminder that baseball is really about context. Al Kaline was a MUCH better player than Luis Gonzalez. His 2-1 Wins Above Replacement advantage (91.0 to 46.3) tells that story. But the simple fact that Gonzalez does have more extra-base hits tells a story of its own.

11. Phil Niekro (3,342) has more strikeouts than Bob Gibson (3,117).

I don't know -- I just find that interesting. Niekro pitched 1,500 more innings than Gibson, which explains the stat well enough. But still, it's a fascinating image to think that Phil Niekro, with that crazy knuckleball that fluttered and dived and even seemed to rise when it caught the wind right, struck out more batters than Bob Gibson in all of his awesomeness and fury.

Here's a great little Niekro statistic for you: He is one of only two pitchers in baseball history to lead the league in losses four years in a row. He did it from 1977 to 1980 (though in 1979, he also led the league in wins). The other pitcher to do it? The legendary Pedro Ramos, who lost 18, 19, 18 and 20 from 1958 to 1961. Ramos' lifetime .422 winning percentage is the lowest for any pitcher with 275 decisions or more. Phil Niekro, meanwhile, won 300 games. The power of the knuckler.

10. Cole Hamels (8.554) averages more strikeouts per nine innings than Roger Clemens (8.552).

In a list of meaningless little stats, this one might be the most meaningless ... how about having to go to the third number behind the decimal point to find this one? But I kind of like it because it is a reminder than Cole Hamels is not just a terrific pitcher, he's a dominating one. I can remember on at least three occasions this year hearing Hamels referred to as a "crafty" pitcher. There is absolutely nothing wrong with lefty pitchers being called crafty -- I actually think it's one of the great compliments in sports -- but it doesn't fit Hamels. He pumps his fastball into the mid-90s and destroys hitters with that devastating change-up. He may have a little craftiness in him, but that doesn't describe him. He's overpowering.

9. Amos Otis (341) has more stolen bases than Willie Mays (338).

Frank White always says that Amos Otis was the best base stealer he ever saw. This wasn't based on pure numbers -- White played with and against plenty of others who stole more bases. Heck, Willie Wilson stole as many as 83 bases in a season (Frank says that Wilson was the FASTEST player he ever saw, him and Bo Jackson, but that's a different thing).

No, his feelings about Otis are based on the science of the steal. Otis read pitchers like few ever have. This wasn't as apparent (or perhaps even true) in his younger days, when Otis could still run well. It was REALLY apparent after age 29, when Otis' speed had diminished. He still was successful on about 80% of his steals after that, even when he really couldn't run all that fast. Frank says that Otis used to say between innings that he would steal a base standing up, and then go out there and do it.

I'd argue that stolen base numbers, perhaps more than any other, are a product of the era. Jackie Robinson was a great base stealer -- one of the best of all time -- and yet he never stole more than 37 in a season. Another Dodgers second baseman, Steve Sax, was a DREADFUL base stealer, especially in his younger days, but he stole as many as 56 in a season (getting caught an almost impossible to believe 30 times that year). That's a difference in the times. Jackie Robinson on the right team in the 1970s might have stolen 100 bases in a year.

Willie Mays led the league in stolen bases four years in a row -- from 1956-59. But in those days 27 steals could lead the league (and did in 1959). Had Mays played in another era, he might have stolen 60 in a year. He might have been the first and only 50-50 player of all time. But he played in the era when he played, and was plenty good anyway.

8. Sammy Sosa hit 60-plus homers THREE TIMES.

I know: You already knew this one. But no matter how many times I see it -- sort of like no matter how many times I look at Ted Williams on-base percentage numbers -- I'm blown away by the fact.

Sammy Sosa hit 66 home runs in that famous and infamous 1998 season. The next year, he hit 63. Two years later he hit 64. I mean, that's just plain ridiculous. Three times, Sammy Sosa hit more home runs in a season than Babe Ruth or Roger Maris ever did.

And that leads to perhaps the greatest baseball trivia question of all-time* -- one that will only get more and more amazing with time.

*I've long believed the greatest baseball trivia question of all time was simply: "How many times was Roger Maris intentionally walked the year he hit 61 homers?" Answer: Zero. He had Mantle hitting behind him.

Here's the question: Three times Sammy Sosa broke Roger Maris' record of 61 home runs. How many of those years did he lead the league in home runs?

Answer: Zero. McGwire hit more than him in 1998 and 1999 and Barry Bonds hit more than him in 2001. And those are the only three seasons in baseball history that even COULD have beaten him. It's a statistical wonder (or, if you prefer, a travesty that still makes people doubt great offensive baseball performances).

Sosa did lead the league in homers twice, in 2000 and 2002. He led the league with 50 and 49 respectively.

7. Curtis Granderson hit 23 triples in 2007, the most for any player in the last 60 years.

You might have noticed that Jose Reyes is on pace to hit 30 triples this year. Only one player in baseball history -- the famed Chief Wilson in 1912 -- has hit 30 triples in a year. But more to the point, no player has even hit 25 triples in a year since Kiki Cuyler did it in 1925. There has already been discussion at the magazine of me following around Jose Reyes as he tries to break the record. I mean, the triple is the most exciting play in baseball right? That means Reyes is trying to become the most exciting baseball player EVER, right?*

*My 14 most exciting players in sports list is still coming. Reyes figures to be prominent.

In any case, only three players since 1950 have hit more than 20 triples in a year -- the aforementioned Willie Wilson in 1985 and Lance Johnson in 1996 hit 21 and Curtis Granderson hit 23 in his excellent 2007 season. Triples are driven by the dimensions and shape of the player's home ballpark -- Detroit has been in the Top 4 in the league in triples every year since Comerica Park opened. Boston, for obvious Green Monster reasons, is always at or near the top in doubles.

Still, Grandy's 23-triple year is historic ... even if I had never thought of it that way before.

6. Aubrey Huff's next double (344) will move him ahead of Mickey Mantle on the all-time doubles list.

Here is a statistical quirk: Mickey Mantle did not hit doubles. In 1954, when he led the league in runs scored, he hit only 17. In 1961 -- his 54 homer year -- he hit only 16. This is really odd, I think. Mantle hit 37 doubles in 1952 -- second in the league behind Ferris Fain -- but never again hit even 30 in a season.

Now, Mantle's disciples will point out that it's not odd at all -- Mantle's knees were shot. When you can't run, you can't stretch singles into doubles. And that may be so. But, Mantle was hardly an invalid. He led the league in triples once, and was among the leaders four times. He stole 150 bases in his career. He played center field pretty much his entire career. There's more to it than just the knees. Of the 76 players in baseball history who had at least as many plate appearances as Mantle, only two -- Graig Nettles and Darrell Evans -- had fewer doubles.

Aubrey Huff should still ask for the ball when he hits the double that passes Mantle.

5. Dan Quisenberry led the league in saves more times than Mariano Rivera did (5-3).

The save might be the single most influential statistic in sports history. By "influential" I mean the effect it has had on the game. I'd say counting sacks has had a big influence on football; counting blocked shots has had a big impact on hoops.

Still: The save feels different. The save has changed the way managers use pitchers. The save has inspired absurdly expensive contracts for pitchers who, for whatever reason, do not actually start baseball games. The save has given us the oddity of one-inning closers. The save has turned pitchers without a third pitch, without great stamina, without staying power into mega-stars.

Who knows why some statistics have staying power while others don't? Maybe Malcolm Gladwell does. But for whatever reason, Jerome Holtzman's invention of the save has had a mighty impact on baseball.

One of the biggest impacts is that the save gave us the joy of Mariano Rivera. There is absolutely no way to know what kind of pitcher Mariano Rivera would have been had he come up in 1953. Could he have made it as a starter? Would managers have picked up on his almost mystical ability to throw scoreless innings with the games at their hottest? Would he have been a better version of Ron Perranoski or Hoyt Wilhelm?

Then again, how good would he have been in the Goose Gossage role of the 1970s? Gossage asked that exact question recently. They were very different kinds of closers, especially when Goose was young. Rivera has only thrown 80-plus innings in the regular season as a closer once (though it's many times if you consider the playoffs). Gossage threw 80-plus innings as a closer nine times. Rivera threw three innings only once as a closer, in 2006 against Detroit. In 1975 alone, Gossage threw three-plus innings 22 times.

How good would Mariano have been in another time? I'd say he would have been great in any of those settings. I'd say that because Rivera has greatness in him. This is the world he inherited, the world of the one-inning closer. He has done it in New York, with a team that is always in contention, in a city that freaks out like few others after blow games. He's the best who ever lived.

It's still pretty interesting that Quiz led the league in saves more times.

4. Bernie Williams (.477) has a higher slugging percentage than Roberto Clemente (.475)*

*Though: So does Matt Stair, Ray Lankford and Rusty Greer.


Clemente did not really develop his power until he was in his 30s. Through age 30 he had a career .446 slugging percentage. This had to do with several things, no doubt. Then: he hit a career high 29 homers at age 31 and slugged .524 for the rest of his career.

Even with that, Clemente was not a great power hitter. I don't think that's how you would describe him. He never hit 30 home runs. He only once hit 40 doubles. His was not a power-hitters era, of course, but even in his era his .475 slugging percentage was not especially striking. His brilliance was in his relentlessness. He had double digit triples every year from ages 30 to 35. He connected with everything -- any list of great bad ball hitters would begin with Clemente*. He played with violence and intensity, and this made him impossible to ignore or overlook. To watch him play was to appreciate him.

*And another guy, Yogi Berra, who I happened to write about this week. And if you are an SI subscriber who has not yet gotten your FREE iPad app, well, this week's incredible cover should get you motivated.

Bernie Williams, meanwhile, was a terrific player from 1995 to 2002. His defense has been a point of contention -- he won four Gold Gloves though by his last he was almost certainly a defensive liability in center field -- but he hit .321/.406/.531 over those eight years. There will be those who will argue Bernie for the Hall of Fame, and there's a case to be made. But the value of his career is really almost entirely locked up in those eight seasons, and that just probably isn't long enough.

3. Greg Maddux led pitchers in assists 12 times and in putouts eight -- both records.

We all know that defensive statistics are tricky. They are often unrevealing, and perhaps as often they are plain deceiving. They are subject to interpretation and faith and all sort of other things. This is perhaps even more true when it comes to pitcher's defense since pitchers are not even allowed to catch pop-ups most of the time.

Still, there are certain things in defense that we count. We count assists. We count putouts. And Greg Maddux led the league in both pretty much every season. This matched the eye -- he's the best I ever saw at fielding his position. You couldn't really bunt on him. Nobody got off the mount to cover first base any better. They talk about good-fielding pitchers being the fifth infielder, well, Maddux really was like that -- his quick reactions meant he got to more bouncers and ground balls and even line drives up the middle than just about anybody else. In many ways, he took away that alley, which is a pretty important alley for hitters.

He's the best fielding pitcher I ever saw. Then again, as regular readers of this blog know, he's also my favorite pitcher ever.

2. Harold Baines had almost 100 more RBIs more than Joe DiMaggio (1628-1537)

This is where you say: "Hey, wait, Joe DiMaggio went to war ..."

He did, of course. The only real point here is that Harold baines had 1,628 RBIs. And that's amazing.

1. Ron Kittle hit more home runs per at-bat than Lou Gehrig (1 every 15.39 at-bats vs. 1 every 16.23).3

It was a strange career. Ron Kittle went to a Dodgers tryout camp in 1976 after high school. He has said -- and he's a Facebook friend so I know -- that people told him he couldn't play baseball at the big league level with glasses. It was like that in the 1970s. The Dodgers signed him, glasses and all, and he remembers breaking his neck (literally breaking his neck) in his first professional game. He got released 13 games into the next season.

He then signed with the White Sox and worked his way up to Class AA, where he hit decently. He made it back up to Class AA the year after that, when he was 22 and hit a little better than decently.

The next year he was 23, and he hit 40 home runs in Class AA.

The year after that, he was 24, and he hit 50 home runs in Class AAA.

At that point, the White Sox decided, hey, why not, call the kid up? And on July 4 of his rookie season, he was second in the league in home runs. He would end up hitting 35 of them, playing in the All-Star Game, winning Rookie of the Year. The image of Kittle, with those big glasses, hitting long home runs was an inspiration to me and my own coke bottle glasses. He crushed 32 home runs his next year. In all he hit seven rooftop homers at Comiskey, mashed a homer off Dave Rozema on the Game of the Week that a few of us still talk about and, well, here are plenty of Kittle fun facts.

After the 32-homer year, he never again got 500 plate appearances in a season -- because of injury and, I suspect, strikeouts. But the texture of the game does not only come from its greatest players. It also comes from players who were great in limited spaces. Ron Kittle, for too short a time, had massive power. And that made him another kind of luckiest man.

55 comments:

  1. Kittle's 40 HR in AA was in Glens Falls, NY, in a little park about the size of a high school field :-). Still, it was pro ball & we were excited about it; I even got to mock-broadcast a few of the games for our college radio station. I say "mock" broadcast because there was no phone line to the press box, so we did it on (cassette) tape. Wish I still had those tapes...

    Turns out you can't get enough Glens Falls-area folks excited about AA baseball to keep a team at a glorified HS field, but it was fun while it lasted. Rest in peace "Glensox" :-)

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  2. Funny, Joe -- you've hit on two of my sports passions in two straight articles: NC State basketball and the Chicago White Sox.

    As fun facts go, I present to you the box score from the 4/15/84 White Sox-Yankees game (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA198404150.shtml). Please note the Ron Kittle / Greg Luzinski double steal...

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  3. I once went to a Cubs game at Wrigley, back in 1999 or 2000, and they were playing the Braves. Maddux was pitching and I told my wife, "Watch this guy, he's amazing. He doesn't look that good when he pitches, but nobody can hit him."

    Sure enough, he pitched a complete game shutout striking out 8 or 9 hitters. He gave up a few hits, walked a couple and otherwise looked hittable, but the Cubs couldn't score on him. As the game wore on, it just seemed like - groundout, groundout, strikeout, with an occasional single thrown in only for the runner to be stranded.

    The funny thing about it was that Jon Lieber was pitching for the Cubs, and he pitched better. And he looked better. He only allowed like 2 hits and struck out 11 or 12 batters. But he gave up a HR to Andres Gallaraga and lost the game.

    I think that's how I appreciate Maddux, he was like a magician. You'd watch him, especially live when you couldn't see how he was painting the corners, and you'd think, "Why can't they hit him?"

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  4. Today is the anniversary of the Andy Hawkins no-hitter* (which his Yankees lost 4-0 to the White Sox). Kittle played first base in that game, batting fifth. Ron Karkovice hit sixth, Scott Fletcher seventh and Sammy Sosa eighth.

    *-I know it's not in the book but he pitched a complete game and allowed no hits.

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  5. Tony Gwynn is a far better player than Tim Raines ever was. It's not even close.

    Oh wait, are we talking about their FATHERS? My bad. Let's see... "Tim Raines (3977) reached base more times than Tony Gwynn (3955)."

    And Raines had more extra bases(1166 to 1118). And Raines had more stolen bases, obviously (808 to 319). And Raines was a better fielder.

    But 3,000 hits sure is a nice simple statistic, if that's what people need.

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  6. "Today is the anniversary of the Andy Hawkins no-hitter*"

    Was that the game where Dale Berra and someone else got tagged out at the plate by Fisk about 10 feet from each other? I remember that one was on first and the other on second. The 2B runner tagged up and the 1B one didn't. When the ball dropped they both ran together, ran around third toward home. I think Fisk caught the ball from the outfiled, went and got a cup of coffee, came back and tagged both of them out.

    A very inauspicious day for a Yankee fan in those days.

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  7. In the days before portable internet-enabled devices, how exactly were all these bar bets won or lost? I've always been curious about this -- you make an outlandish (but true) claim, the guy on the next stool doubts you, and you say "No, really. It's true." And that's it? Did that ever settle anything? I wonder....

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  8. um, honus wagner had 3415 career hits.

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  9. Another insight that could possibly be taken from maddux's league leading putout and assist totals is that even though he was never overpowering and often pitched to contact, he was one of the best in baseball, and probably one of the best of all time in fooling hitters, sawing them off and inducing balls that didn't make it past the pitchers' mound.

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  10. Sansho, I think one tried to find a neutral third party who had some knowledge of the subject--many bars have a Cliff Clavin. I'd bet that lots of sports bars had an almanac or two, to look things up in such occasions.

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  11. Shoot, J Holz is right. That puts Honus in competition with Jeter and Ripken for SS on the +3,000 hit club. Now, who's playing short for the under-3,000 hit team? Here are some candidates, with their career OPS+ and WAR, from B-R:

    Omar Vizquel---83 43.1 WAR
    Ozzie Smith----87 64.7 WAR
    Barry Larkin--116 68.8 WAR
    Arky Vaughn---136 75.6 WAR
    Ernie Banks---132 64.3 WAR
    Luke Appling--113 68.9 WAR
    Robin Yount---115 76.8 WAR

    Discuss.

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  12. I believe you missed one of the most amazing baseball facts of all – that Joe DiMaggio hit 361 homers while striking out just 369 times. In fact, before his final season, he had hit 349 homers and fanned just 333 times. In seven seasons he had more homers than strikeouts, including 1941 when he hit 30 homers and fanned just 13 times (he struck out once every 47.8 plate appearances that year). His highest strikeout total was 39 in his rookie season. Had he not been hitting into the cavernous left centerfield at Yankee Stadium during half his games his home run totals would undoubtedly have been much higher. I believe the only other power hitter who comes close to those kinds of numbers is Ted Williams, who struck out 709 times with his 521 homers.

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  13. Re: fact #14.

    Cal Ripken was two strike-shortened seasons from having 17 straight with 140+ games.

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  14. Clavin?! That smug bastard is who I'm looking to take down!

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  15. Joe, great column, makes you think and I appreciate that.

    I will never forget Kittle because of those glasses. They were awesome.

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  16. Joe, just read your Yogi Berra piece. Simply amazing. Thank you!

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  17. So, wait, are you crazy? Are you really saying that Ron Kittle was better than Lou Gehrig?
    Dark Side of the Mood

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  18. Rivera also threw three innings on October 16, 2003.

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  19. The Dale Berra tag (I think Bobby Meacham was the other runner) was a few years earlier. I think that game was in the same weekend as Tom Seaver's 300th win, but I might be wrong.

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  20. I think Maddux is the favorite pitcher of sportswriters, due to his ability to work a quick game.

    I believe Maddux (dont remember his opponent) pitched a CG SO once that lasted 1:45 and Olbermann and Patrick gave him standing ovation on Sportscenter.

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  21. In the days before portable internet-enabled devices, how exactly were all these bar bets won or lost?

    I still know a bar that keeps an Encyclopedia/Palmer behind the bar. It's where I was asked and got (through elimination and logic) my favorite trivia question: who was the last switch-hitting AL MVP?

    And Ron Kittle will always be treasured to me because he won me my first fantasy baseball victory when I came home for winter break one year and some neighborhood guys had just picked for a MicroLeague simulation. They had 7 teams (duh) and I said, look, I'll pick from your leftovers and give you 8 teams. There was Kittle available with under 200 ABs and a (unknown then) 164 OPS+. Kittle crushed, Chuck Cary threw a no-no and I finished above .500.

    My Abstract readings had there first affirmation right there.

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  22. Here's a 15th interesting stat. In 1976, Graig Nettles led the American League with 32 home runs. You would have thought there was some kind of scrum in the high twenties, with dozens of players just falling short. Nope. Only 10 American League players managed to hit even 20 home runs. The following year, with basically the same player group, 33 hit at least 20. You would have to go to 1954 (in a 154 game season), to find fewer.

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  23. Pitcher's defense seems even more tricky than other players. Every time Greg Maddux ever fielded a ball, the batter had just tried to put it in play against... Greg Maddux. I'm not saying he was a bad fielder, it just seems that his assist and putout numbers are at least somewhat influenced by the fact that every time he fielded a ball, the pitcher on the mound was probably much better than average at inducing comebackers and dribblers to 1st base.

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  24. I am not sure why you claimed that Clemente's era was not a power hitter's era. His career overlapped substantially with those of Mays, Aaron, F. Robinson, Killebrew, McCovey etc. Clemente's era may have been the greatest non-steroid power hitting era in the game's history. His lack of power cannot be attributed to the era in which he played.

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  25. I love this kind of stuff. However, there are three other players who have hit 20 triples in a season since 1950, besides the ones you mentioned:

    Willie Mays, 20 in 1957
    George Brett, 20 in 1979
    Cristian Guzman, 20 in 2000

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  26. Here's a strange one:

    Out of all the people ever born on Nov. 21 in Donora, Pennsylvania, Ken Griffey Jr. was merely the second-best hitter of the group.

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  27. It is interesting that Rivera has only led the league in saves 3 times.

    It is not at all surprising that Quiz led the league in saves 5 times. From 1980-1985 he was the best reliever in the game, and the last of a breed. If the game was in the seventh or later, even occasionally in the 6th, Quiz would enter the game any time there was trouble and often finish it. He did not always get the benefit of a clean inning, inheriting 312 runners during this time.

    From 1980-1985 in 5 full seasons, throwing out the 1981 strike season (not because he did poorly, it just skews the numbers), He averaged about 132.5 innings pitched per season. He averaged 1.78 innings per appearance. 54% of those innings were not the ninth inning. 22.5% of the time he was in the game long enough to begin facing the same hitters twice. He finished in the top 5 in Cy Young voting and the top 11 in MVP all 5 seasons. He unintentionally walked an absurd one out of every 52.6 batters he faced in this time period, perhaps the best control pitcher ever.

    In short, during this time period he affected the game perhaps more than any relief pitcher in history. He will not be a hall of famer simply because his dominant period was a short one, but it is not at all surprising that he led the league in saves all 5 of these seasons.

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  28. I think the SS on the non-3000 hits team has to be Arky Vaughn. The OPS+/WAR combo is hard to beat. Which is good, because it provides an excuse to say the name "Arky Vaughn."
    Apparently Carl Crawford is the active leader in career triples. Not as amazing as the stats above, but it still make me stop and think.

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  29. Al, Jimmy Rollins also had 20 triples in 2007. But Joe stipulated more than 20, which keeps it a tidier list. Rollins brings up another interesting fact: that prior to 2007 only two players in MLB history had achieved the 20-20-20-20 (homers, triples, doubles, steals) milestone in a season, the most recent being someone named Willie Mays in 1957. In 2007 Curtis Granderson got a bunch of September publicity for begin the only player in a half-century to accomplish the feat, and on the last day of the season Rollins snuck in to join him with his 20th triple.

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  30. Joe,

    Greg Maddux was my favorite pitcher, too. Even after my Cubs made the mistake of not matching the Braves' offer, I still had to watch him pitch. Thankfully, most of his starts were on TBS, and my dad and I could watch the games and marvel at how foolish he could make major leaguers look. Not in the Kerry Wood way, but in the "there's nothing they could do to avoid making an easy out" way. It was kind of like watching Peyton Manning at his best, where you just got the feeling that Maddux knew so much more than any other player on the field that they were just helpless.

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  31. The Yogi piece in SI is excellent. Thanks.

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  32. Never mind Williams going to war. While they have the same number of hits, Williams had 2021 walks and Damon 955.

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  33. Tough call between Gwynn and Raines. I went to B-Ref for some numbers and decided Gwynn is clearly better. Offensively, Gwynn's OPS+ of 132 versus Raines's 123 offsets the stolen bases, IMO. It's not as though Gwynn was slow or bad, Raines was just one of the best ever. But 9 points of OPS+ is a lot, too. However, Gwynn won 5 gold gloves and even if he seemed to be a fairly average right fielder according to B-Ref's defensive stats, Raines was a fairly average left fielder, and Gwynn played a couple hundred more games in the outfield at the more important position. So unless you're utterly enamored of the stolen base, I can see no reason to favor Raines of Gwynn, and several to go the other way.

    BTW, one of the worst Strat-O-Matic trades of all time (as it turned out) was Gwynn for Ron Kittle, straight up. It didn't seem nearly as bad when it was made as in hindsight (such as Delino DeShields for Pedro Martinez).

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  34. Dinky:

    I think the point is that Gywnn is considered an inner-circle Hall of Famer, but Raines has received much less support. If your career is compared with an inner-circle guy, and it's a "tough call," then you are probably a worthy Hall of Famer.

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  35. As above - Ripken played 17 consecutive seasons without missing any of his teams games. League strikes, lockouts and work stoppages put him below the 140 Damon Limit.

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  36. "'How many times was Roger Maris intentionally walked the year he hit 61 homers?' Answer: Zero. He had Mantle hitting behind him."

    Except for the games Mantle missed, or the 20 other games Maris hit in another spot in the order.

    And as for triples, even if you mean Major League Baseball history, still there are two other guys who hit over 30 in a season, Heinie Reitz and Dave Orr.

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  37. Really. Joe? These are NOTHING but 14 crazy, interesting random facts that indicate nothing?

    It's PURELY coincidental that Tim Raines (whom you've been pushing, correctly, as a Hall of Famer for years) turns out to be better than Tony Gwynn?

    You had absolutely NO agenda when you implied that Dan Quisenberry (who you think, correctly, was screwed over in Hall of Fame voting)was better than Mariano Rivera (who will probably be voted in on the first ballot)?

    Come on, Joe. You DO have an agenda with some of these "crazy" factoids, and it's only too obvious.

    Again, I AGREE that Tim Raines was a little more valuable than Tony Gwynn and I'd be DELIGHTED to see Dan Quisenberry (who used to give my Yankees fits) get another crack at the Hall of Fame some day. By all means, use your stats to bolster their cases. Just stop pretending that's NOT what you're doing.

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  38. The most amazing thing about Clemente was his throwing arm and the elan in which he played rightfield. His batting was mostly hard singles until Harry "the hat" Walker became the Bucs manager for 1965. At first he and Clemente butted heads but by 1966 Harry had Clemente changing his approach at the plate and hitting for more power. Roberto's 1966 season was perhaps his best when it came to leading his team. Stargell was a good power hitter on that team as well, soon to become a great power slugger. No one was hitting balls as far as Willie "The Starg" was in the late 1960s.

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  39. Astorian, Joe says very clearly that Mariano is the best who ever lived. I don't know how you can state that Joe implies the Quiz was better. He doesn't say Raines was better than Gwynn, he says he was about as good. And those are only two of the 14 crazy baseball facts here.

    You sound accusatory of Joe, and I don't understand why. Maybe I am misunderstanding your tone.

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  40. @NMarkW: Somehow, I have never heard of the word "elan" until you just used it. I thought it was a typo so I looked it up, and it's actually pretty neat! Thank you for the new word!

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  41. Clashfan- "Accusatory" is the wrong word, but I'm definitely skeptical of Joe's pretense that he's just posting 14 fun, silly, meaningless facts.

    As I said earlier, I believe Joe has an agenda with some of these factoids, and that's fine! I happen to AGREE that Tim Raines and Dan Quisenberry deserve to be Hall of Famers.

    But Joe has long been campaigning for TIm Raines, and has long been arguing that Dan Quisenberry deserved MUCH more Hall of Fame support than he got (he's right; Quisenberry got almost NO support and fell off the ballot very early on), just as he argued vociferously for years that BErt Blyleven belonged in the Hall.

    Humor me- if Joe had made this list two years ago, and included the "crazy fact" that BErt Blyleven has more strikeouts than Walter Johnson or more shutouts than Lefty Grove (both true "facts," by the way), would ANYBODY believe Joe was just making a funny post with no serious implications?

    SOME of Joe's facts are just fun. But some are inserted to further his pet causes.

    And that's fine. It's JOE'S blog and he has a right to push for whoever he likes. I just wish he'd admit that's what he's doing.

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  42. To put it another way:

    "Gary Gaetti has more homers than Hank Greenberg" is a surprising fact that obviously proves nothing.

    So is "Davy Concepcion has more hits than Joe Dimaggio"

    So is "Jack Morris has more strikeouts than Lefty Grove" (though somehow Joe missed that one!).

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  43. I have to side with clashfan
    We may all have an agenda, but there's no agenda here to which Joe should "own up"
    I think it is a bit out of line to suggest that Joe should admit to what you think he's doing.

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  44. Yeah, Cole Hamels is a pretty good pitcher. And who was the guy who left him off his list of 100 best players in baseball the year after he was the NLCS and World Series MVP? Who was that guy?

    ....

    Nice to see you've come around.

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  45. I'm still amazed that twice Ted Williams won the Triple Crown, but not the MVP; both years he won the MVP, he didn't win the Triple Crown.

    http://xmastime.blogspot.com/2009/07/amazing-ted-williams-fact.html

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  46. Astorian, let's put it this way; if Joe wants to make the points you think he's making, why *wouldn't* he just come right out and say them? As you say, it's his blog, he can write about anything he wants, so if he wanted to use his time and e-space to write those columns, he would.

    Why do you think he would bother to hide his thoughts? Why do you choose to not take him at his word?

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  47. Just to make it clear, you said the last switch-hitting AL MVP was Vida Blue, right?

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  48. The Maddux game mentioned above might be a 1-0 loss at Veterans Stadium to Schilling. Took about 1:51 as I recall.

    People who showed up 20 minutes late were confused that the 3rd inning was about to end.

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  49. Joe:

    As pointed out above, Honus Wagner is a 3000 hit guy, and considering the drop off at SS between him and whomever you are taking as your non-3000 guy now, then I would rethink which team above wins.

    Not that WAR is everything, but putting Wagner on the right team, the cumulative WAR for the 3000 hit team is 1129.9 (with IRod at Catcher and Tris Speaker DHing). For the non 3000 hit team it is 1140.60 (with Barry Bonds DHing and ARod playing SS). If I take away the DHs, the 3000 hit club jumps ahead and if I pick a full time SS instead of ARod, they jump way ahead.

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  50. Numbers can be either revealing or mean nothing. Playing with raw numbers may be fun, but it doesn't really tell us anything.

    Example: Steve Jeltz, former shortstop for the Phillies, and for his last season, the KC Royals, is one of less than 100 major leaguers to hit a home run from both sides of the plate in the same inning. A switch hitting power hitter, you say? Hardly. Jeltz spent most of his eight year career battling the Mendoza line, and despite over 2000 plate appearances, hit only five home runs during his entire career, at least one of which I believe was an inside-the-parker.

    As an aside, Mickey Mantle accomplished the feat ten times.

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  51. P.S. Even more strange is the fact that Jeltz didn't even start the game. This is the same game where former pitcher Jim Rooker, by now an announcer, quipped after the Pirates scored ten runs in the top of the first inning, "If we don’t win this one, I don’t think I’d want to be on that plane ride home. Matter of fact, if we don’t win, I’ll walk back to Pittsburgh."

    Well, the Pirates lost by a final score of 15-11, and Rooker, somewhat true to his word, walked around 300 miles from Philly to Pittsburg in an off-easons charity event.

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  54. THis is it for me, Joe, and i hope you're reading: Chuck Finley struck out four batters in an inning THREE TIMES.

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  55. RE: No. 7 - Parks play a big part in producing triples, and Comerica Park is great for them, but 13 of Granderson's 23 came on the road in 2007.

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