Wednesday, September 14, 2011

The Meaning Of 600 Saves

I'm going to start this with a simple fact that might make it sound like I'm picking at the great record of Mariano Rivera. I promise you: I am not. I think my admiration and respect for the Great Rivera is fairly well established. Heck, I wrote this thing.

But there's something else here. And so I'm going to give you a bit of trivia. Mariano Rivera just got his 600th save. It's a big an impressive-looking number. SIX HUNDRED. So now, ask yourself this: How many of those 600 regular season saves were at least two-inning saves?

Before I give you the answer -- do you have your guess yet? -- I should tell you that while Rivera will any day now break Trevor Hoffman's record for overall saves, he is not quite the record-holder for two-inning saves. That would be Rollie Fingers with 135.

The Top 5 looks like so:

1. Rollie Fingers, 135
2. Bruce Sutter, 130
3. Goose Gossage, 125
4. Dan Quisenberry, 120
5. Hoyt Wilhelm, 114



No, Rivera's not quite in there … will get to him in a minute. There's something I'd like you to notice about this list. Wilhelm, in addition to being fifth on the two-inning list has the record for most three-inning saves with 53. Following these seemingly insignificant records offers a nice little timeline for how the closer role has changed the last 50 years. Wilhelm predates the other four; he pitched mostly when there was no official save rule. So managers used him and all other relievers however and whenever they wanted. Three innings? Four innings? That was decided at the manager's whim. The save statistic obviously had no bearing on how managers worked because it didn't exist or wasn't anything anybody cared about.

Fingers, Sutter, Gossage and Quisenberry were transition closers. When they became relief specialists, the save was an official statistic and it was steadily gaining popularity and deference. And their roles changed as their careers went on, especially Fingers. As Bill James points out, there have been two pretty dramatic changes in the way relievers are used: Both of them, I think are directly tied to the save rule.

First: "The practice of limiting the closer ONLY to pitching in save situations, which occurred very suddenly in 1978-1980."

I would say this one began in with Fingers. Throughout the early 1970s, Fingers was widely viewed as a hugely important part of the Oakland A's teams that won three straight World Series. He would pitch 125 innings a year, finish off 50 games a year, and he had that great mustache. What he did not have were big save totals. He averaged about 20 a year in Oakland. That was fine. His value, his managers determined, was in the number of innings he pitched and the number of games he could affect. Saves were very much a by-product of strategy and not the other way around.

Then, in 1977, Fingers signed with San Diego -- to much fanfare. Free agency was still new and scary and uncertain. And the Padres decided it was in their best interest to use Fingers more often in save situations, or more to the point when the Padres were ALREADY WINNING. In 1978, two things happened. Fingers led the league with a healthy-looking 37 saves -- a career high and almost twice as many as he would typically get in Oakland. And the Padres also took a quantum leap forward, from a 90-loss team to their first-ever winning record. People pay attention when there's a sudden turnaround.

The idea of every team using a good pitcher to secure victory in the late innings started to take off, and it moved fast. In 1980, 14 pitchers had 20-plus saves -- a record. In 1981, the strike year, Fingers became the first reliever in 30 years and the first ever in the American League to win an MVP award. In 1982, five different closers had 30-plus saves -- a record. In 1983, Dan Quisenberry set the saves record with 45 saves. The next year, Bruce Sutter matched that record and seven different pitchers had 30-plus saves, including Willie Hernandez who won the MVP award. The save was hot.

But, even so, managers still felt empowered to use their best relievers in a variety of roles. Dan Quisenberry had 27 two-inning saves in 1984 and 26 in 1983, those are the top two marks in baseball history and probably will be forever. You can see above that Sutter … Gossage … Fingers were all counted on for long saves. We'll keep peppering this things with charts: Here are the Top 10 seasons with the most saves where the pitcher got at least four outs:

1. Dan Quisenberry, 1983, 35 saves
2. Bruce Sutter, 1984, 32 saves
3. Quisenberry, 1984, 29 saves
4. Rollie Fingers, 1978, 28 saves
5. Dave Righetti, 1986, 26 saves
(tie) Quisenberry, 1982, 26 saves
7. Bruce Sutter, 1982, 25 saves
(tie) Lee Smith, 1985, 25 saves
9. Jeff Reardon, 1985, 24 saves
(tie) Sparky Lyle, 1972, 24 saves
(tie) Bill Campell, 1977, 24 saves

Well, you can see, that except for Lyle all of them happened between 1977 and 1985, or just after Fingers signed with San Diego. The transition of "fireman" -- that wonderful 1970s term for reliever -- and "closer" was beginning. But those first closers were still versatile pitchers who could be used in a variety of different ways.

But not for long. Here's Bill James' other dramatic change:

Second: "The practice of limiting the closer to the ninth inning, which occurred more gradually between 1985 and 1995."

Yes, this was the Phase 2. I've heard people say say that Bruce Sutter was the first closer regularly used as a one-inning guy, but the records don't really bear that. Sutter never had more than a dozen one-inning closes in his career. Until 1985, the record for one-inning saves was 16, and it was held by Fred Gladding in 1969 and Wayne Granger in 1970. If there was any early pioneer for the one-inning closer, I would say it was manager Sparky Anderson, Granger's manager in 1970. In 1972, Captain Hook -- which is what they called Sparky -- used Clay Caroll in that role, and Carroll had 15 one-inning saves. Sparky later put Rawly Eastwick and Will McEnaney in some one-inning save chances.

But the trend wasn't really catching on. There were always one-inning saves, of course, but they were circumstance more than anything else. Here's a great statistic for you: From 1969 (the year the save became an official statistic) through 1985, one-inning saves made up only 21% of all saves. That's barely one in five.

In 1986, Houston manager Hal Lanier used his bullpen in a kind of quirky way. He had 31-year-old Dave Smith -- who to that point had been a pretty good but mostly unknown reliever -- come in pretty often to start the ninth inning of games the Astros were winning. People noticed. Smith made the All-Star team. He had 24 saves that year, and 17 of them were the one-inning variety. That was the most ever. The Astros were also a good team in 1986, winning 96 games, playing that classic series against the Mets. I think Dave Smith, not Sutter, was the first modern day closer. It was beginning.

In 1987, the one-inning save took a quantum leap forward because of a name you probably did not expect to see in this post: Peter Edward Rose. Yep, under then Reds manager Pete Rose, lefty closer John Franco had 24 one-inning saves, by far the most up to that point. Now the save was beginning to announce its presence with authority. In 1988, for the first time, the one-inning save made up more than than 30% of all saves. One-inning wonders included Franco, Smith, Jeff Reardon and a former starting pitcher many had assumed was washed up: Dennis Eckersley. Oh yeah, I'd say Eck played a huge role in all of this too.

In 1990, Bobby Thigpen had a Wayne Gretzky kind of year for one-inning saves. The record had been Franco's 24. Well, Thigpen had FORTY ONE one-inning saves and a mind-boggling FIFTY SEVEN total saves. It was nuts. Every manager wanted a Thigpen of their own. And soon, every manager had one. In 1991, the one-inning save jumped over 40%. In 1992, more than half the saves were one-inning saves. In 1999, it was more than 70%.

This year? Well, this year the one-inning save is clocking in at a staggering 85.3%, the highest total ever. There's a good chance that this year, for the first time, there will be more than 1,000 one-inning saves.

Which takes us back to Rivera. Remember the original question: How many two-inning saves has Mariano Rivera had in his regular-season career?

Answer: Eleven.

Yep. Eleven. This is not a black mark on Rivera's career any more than it is a black mark on Ted Williams' career that he didn't watch more video or pitchers. This is the story of an era. Truth is, Rivera has been the most sturdy of closers in the Age Of One Inning Closers. He has 116 saves of more than one inning -- nobody since 1994 has even half that many.

Most saves of more than one inning (since 1994):
1. Mariano Rivera, 116
2. Keith Foulke, 55
3. Trevor Hoffman, 52
4. Danny Graves, 49
5. Jason Isringhausen, 42

Still, questions persist: Why are closers so limited? Why do they almost exclusively pitch one inning? Is it because, after much study and observation, everyone in the game realized that one-inning closers are more effective at holding leads than multiple-inning guys? Maybe, but I doubt it. The numbers I've seen strongly suggest that teams are blowing late-inning leads at exactly the same rate they did in the the 1980s and the 1970s and the 1950s and so on. Is it because hitters are so much better and the only way to counter that improvement is with a one-inning closer? I suppose that's possible.

Is it because the reduction of innings makes closers better pitchers over seasons and careers? That would be an interesting research project, but I don't see any evidence at all that suggests closers are better or more durable now than they were in, say, the the 1970s and 1980s. Is it because managers and analysts think that one-inning closers have more impact on a team than the old Swiss Army Knife fireman? Again, it's possible, but I doubt it. Between 1974 and 1994, eight relievers won Cy Youngs, and three won MVP awards. I think this was probably misguided voting but it is still true that since the strike only one closer has won a Cy Young (Eric Gagne in 2002, an award Mark Prior probably should have won) and none, not even Mariano, have won an MVP (Rivera has never even received a first place MVP vote). The feeling, at least among the voters (who generally do reflect pretty well the feeling inside the game) is that closers are not as important as they used to be.

So why? Well, I think the biggest reason is simply this: The save rule. It's kind of crazy, if you think about it, but I think it's real. I would argue that Jerome Holtzman -- who invented the save rule mainly because he was put off by Roy Face's misleading 18-1 record in 1959 -- has had as dramatic an effect on the way closers are being used as any manager or any pitcher.

Look at the save rule: A pitcher can get a save if he finishes a victory, isn't the winning pitcher, and fulfills one of three requirements:

1. He enters the game with a lead of no more than there runs and pitches at least one inning.
2. He enters the game with the potential tying run on base, at the plate or on deck.
3. He pitches for at least three innings.

Focus on that first requirement because the other two can't really be predicted. A manager can't know that he will use a reliever for three innings -- heck, managers can't be sure their STARTERS will go three innings. And he can't really know when his team will have a middle-of-the-inning save situation with the potential tying run is on deck. The only sure way he can try to get his pitcher a save is to start him in the ninth inning with a lead of three runs or less. And that has become the staple -- the one-inning save.

The rules might explain the usage, but why did the save become important to anybody? Well, I'm obviously still just spewing my opinion, but I think the save just made everybody feel better about things. Closers obviously loved the save (more money and credit). Managers, I think, loved the save because it was something tangible in a game that can be so maddeningly obtuse ("Look how many saves my closer is getting. I MUST be doing a good job"). Baseball fans have a long history of loving numbers that suggest winning performance (Wins! RBIs! Saves!) and the very nickname -- CLOSER -- evoked guts and gunslingers and TNT shows.

I think all of it created a complicated whirlwind of pressures that nobody had expected. Closers got paid a lot more money than other relievers, so every reliever wanted to be one, every agent wanted to represent one. So that meant more pressure to GET SAVES. Managers, meanwhile, wanted and needed contented and confident closers -- nothing crushes the soul of a manager faster than blown leads in the ninth inning -- so they started their best and highest-paid relievers almost exclusively in save situations. Fans wanted a closer that had a lot of saves, and media types like me started demanding that the GM go out and get an effective closer -- YOU CANNOT WIN WITHOUT A CLOSER, we shouted.

And soon, there was no breaking away from this circle. Efforts to try something new with bullpens blew up with the first lost lead. "Closer by committee" became a dirty phrase. It became conventional wisdom that relief pitchers needed "roles" to be at their best, like relievers were artists or divas too fragile to begin games unsure of the place in the world.

And so on. I think the closer momentum just kept growing and growing until the closer, like Fannie Mae, became too big to fail. I'm sure that if you told anyone in the 1960s that one day pitchers would make $10 million a year for throwing 70 innings a year while pitching almost exclusively the ninth innings of games that team was leading, well, they probably would have been less surprised if you described an iPad.

Another question: What would have happened had the save rule been just a little bit different. What if the rule had demanded that closers pitch MORE THAN ONE INNING to get a save and that the tying run had to be AT THE PLATE for it to be a save situation … forget about that on-deck stuff. That's it. Two simple changes, both about as logical as the actual rule itself. The minimum requirement for a save would be to enter the eighth inning with nobody on base and a two-run lead.

What if? How much would baseball history have been altered? Bill James suggests that if the save rule was different, managers probably would have never made the shift to the one-inning closer, that they probably would still be using relievers the way mangers did in the 1970s and 1980s, with closers pitching in 70 games and throwing 120 or 130 innings a year. I agree. If you look at the most one-inning saves in a season -- another chart -- you will see they've all happened in the last few years:

1. Francisco Rodriguez, 54, 2008
2. Mariano Rivera, 47, 2004
3. John Smoltz, 46, 2002
4. Jose Valverde, 45, 2007
(tie) Trevor Hoffman, 45, 2006
(tie) Eric Gagne, 45, 2003
7. Bob Wickman, 44, 2005
(tie) Eddie Guardado, 44, 2002
(tie) Eric Gagne, 44, 2002
10. Four players tied at 43.

John Axford (42 one-inning saves) and Craig Kimbrel (41) both have a shot of breaking into the Top 10 this year.

I have little doubt that even if relievers were regularly used for two or three innings, Mariano Rivera still would have been far and away the best reliever of the time. I can say this with extreme confidence because -- and I know you Rivera fans have been shouting this since the beginning of the article -- Rivera HAS been used like a multiple-inning closer. When? In the playoffs, of course. Rivera has made 94 playoff appearances, and 58 of them have been more than one inning. Thirty three of them have been TWO innings or more. An astonishing 31 of his 42 postseason saves were more than one inning.

I think this this is telling. Joe Torre changed the way he managed in the postseason -- "And Joe's not waiting, he's going to Rivera RIGHT NOW!" He managed to win every game, and he wasn't about to let the save rule or any other conventional wisdom prevent him from using the greatest closer of all time when he most desperately needed him. During the season, sure, Torre managed more or less like everyone else, and Rivera was used pretty much the way every other closer was used. But in the postseason, it was the 1970s again for Torre and Rivera. Torre will go to the Hall of Fame as a manager. And Rivera is the best postseason reliever in baseball history.

So, I feel sure Rivera would have been the best even if he had a different role, even if he was a pitcher who got 30 saves a year and pitched 120 innings. But what about other guys? What about Trevor Hoffman, a converted infielder who was drafted, traded and dumped before he caught on as a one-inning maestro in San Diego? Would managers have figured out: "Hey, Hoffman's really amazing at holding leads if you just start him off in the ninth inning?" Jose Mesa was a busted out starter when the Indians made him their one-inning closer in 1995. Without the save to guide everyone, would that role have even occurred to the Indians? Mesa in 1995, I should say, is one of only two closers since the strike to receive an MVP vote. The other was K-Rod in 2008, who after being an exceedingly valuable reliever in 2004 was made into a one-inning when-the-team-is-winning specialist and, as you can see above, in 2008 he set the record for one-inning saves. He then got a $37 million deal. Would his life have looked ANYTHING like that without the save stat?

I don't think so. I really do think baseball has been dramatically altered by a statistic invented by a perturbed sportswriter. Let's end this thing with one more thought about Rivera. He is the best relief pitcher who ever lived. But he's also a failed starter. Baseball is such a fickle game. When I think of Rivera setting the save record, I think about how PERFECTLY he fits his era, his space, his team, his role. There are so few people who are ideal for their moment of time. John Wayne was, I think. Johnny Carson. Elvis. Lucille Ball. John Unitas. Michael Jackson. Seinfeld. Oprah. Michael Jordan. If they had come around in another era, in different circumstances, there's no telling how they might have expressed their talents, but it seems likely that they would not have inspired a generation.

If Rivera had come up in another time, he would have been great. But he might not have anything approaching 600 saves. If he had been with another team, he would have been great. But we might not have known just how good he was in the playoffs. And if he had been used 120 or 130 innings a year, he would have been great. But maybe he would not be as brilliant as ever at age 41. All of that is impossible to know, of course. What we do know is how good Mariano Rivera has been. When he breaks the record, raise a glass to him … and also to Jerome Holtzman who invented a flawed statistic that has changed the game and also made Mariano Rivera larger than life.

39 comments:

  1. Circle me Jim Konstanty AND Otis Crandall

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  2. And so on. I think the closer momentum just kept growing and growing until the closer, like Fannie May, became too big to fail. I'm sure that if you told anyone in the 1960s that one day pitchers would make $10 million a year for throwing 70 innings a year while pitching almost exclusively the ninth innings of games that team was leading, well, they probably would have been less surprised than if you described an iPad.

    Two mistakes in this paragraph. Fannie Mae, not May. And the last paragraph, if I read your intent correctly, probably should either remove the word "than" or make "less" into "more", because as written they'd be more surprised by the iPad than the Closer.

    And it's Seinfeld, not Senfield, unless you meant some guy named Senfield who I've never heard of, not that there's anything wrong with that.

    Since SI's editors are not clearly better than I am, I'm just trying to protect my favorite sportswriter.

    I would be completely happy with your proposed save rule. One Cy Young winning reliever you didn't mention was Mike Marshall, who for the Dodgers in 1974 pitched 208.1 innings (and finished third for MVP in a year where playing for a contender TOTALLY jobbed Mike Schmidt). I don't know that anybody ever used a great reliever so often. Wilhelm had more IP once but he started 27 games that season. And it would definitely get Soria more innings.

    But one thing you did not mention was advances in medical knowledge. Perhaps short usage helps pitchers stay healthier year after year. Perhaps closers used as you suggest would be much likelier to break down. And if managers hate losing with a late inning lead more than anything else, they also hate having to find replacement closers because of injury.

    Again, thanks for the great read.

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  3. I grew up in KC during the Quisenberry years, so one of the things I like about this post is that it serves as a reminder that even though he was shunned by the Hall, Quisenberry was one of the games great relief pitchers.

    One of the things I remember about Quisenberry was that he was often brought into the game in extremely difficult situations. The basic rule the Royals followed was if it was a close game and the opposition was threatening to score late, bring in Quisenberry. So it would be the seventh inning and the starter would get the first out and then give up a double and a walk and that's when the call was made for Quisenberry. He'd go out there and throw some sinkers and the next thing you know, double play.

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  4. I'd be interested in seeing who would be the record holder for the most JoeSaves in a season.

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  5. Mark Eichhorn's '86 is an amazing season. One of the last great FIREMAN seasons, but he wasn't the closer.

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  6. I really think you undervalue the role of the closer even as it used today. Besides psychological effects of losing a close game, if any,there is real value being provided. You also make the mathematical mistake in evaluating a closer's value by assuming they are all closing at the average rate. If player A closes at a 95% rate, and player B closes at an 85% rate, the average rate is 90%. The difference though is noticeable. At 60 save opportunities, player A saves 57 games, player B saves 51. That is not insignificant.

    Just another note: Fangraphs has WPA available for players since 1974. Here are the pitching rankings:

    1. Roger Clemens 76.15
    2. Mariano Rivera 54.15
    3. Randy Johnson 53.85
    4. Greg Maddux 53.69
    5. Pedro Martinez 51.84

    This does not include Mo's WPA of over 11 in the postseason.

    PS Nice backhanded compliment:
    closers aren't that valuable anymore, but Mariano is the greatest one.

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  7. Why is it seemingly every other post has a comment where someone writes, "Circle me ________ ?"

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  8. @Ram: there was nothing backhanded about Joe's Mariano comments. "I think he is the best relief pitcher who ever lived... If Rivera had come up in another time, he would have been great."

    @Coals to Newcastle: http://circlemebert.com/about-us

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  9. There's actually a third closer to get an MVP vote since the strike--Brad Lidge picked up *two* first-place votes in '08.

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  10. Middle-aged Padre fan here. I remember the 77-80 Padres when Fingers arrived, as Joe said, to much fanfare (Gene Tenace, too, and everyone in San Diego expected him to hit 2 home runs a game, just like in that World Series). Anyway, the analog to the save rule back then was the Rolaids Fireman of the Year Award. If memory serves, the formula was: 2 points per win and save, and -1 point per loss. So Roger Craig would use Fingers in '78 late in tie games or when the Padres had a lead in the 8th or 9th. If I'm not mistaken, Rollie won the Rolaids award in 1978, Gaylord Perry won the Cy Young, and all of San Diego was certain that a pennant was in store as early as 1979 or 1980.

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  11. @Ram: If you looked at Rivera's WPA per season you'd see that his highest total came in 1996, which is when he set up for John Wetteland.

    Also Rivera has converted 91% of his saves (since 2002 which is all Fangraphs had), not 95%. The simple fact is that he hasn't been much better than most closers in getting saves.

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  12. The question is if closers are really any different than pinch-hitters. Both got their jobs because they weren't good enough to be starters so they are really just excelling against other non-great players. We'll never know exactly how many starting pitchers would have been as good as Rivera - I'm sure the number isn't zero.

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  13. I've always had a soft spot for Bill Campbell's big year for the Red Sox in '77. What was it-31 saves, 13-9 year, gobs of innings, etc? Easily the best pitcher on that team. You certainly don't see your closers getting that many innings or decisions anymore, certainly.

    Rivera? He's great. Better than the Goose or the Eck? Welllllllllll....let's wait on that one, okay?

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  14. I get why fans want Bert to circle them on TV. I don't get random "Circle me, x" comments referencing people more or less related to Joe's topic du jour who don't have telestrators to circle them with.

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  15. "Also Rivera has converted 91% of his saves (since 2002 which is all Fangraphs had), not 95%. The simple fact is that he hasn't been much better than most closers in getting saves."

    Well, that's Rivera's thing: he was never necessarily the best closer in baseball during each season. It's just that he's never stopped being good. Which is annoying. Closers are supposed to implode.

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  16. Off topic:

    Melky and Frenchy have OPS+ of 119 and 118.

    Bad signings?

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  17. How long a closer was in the game isn't that important to me--pitching two innings with a 3-run lead is still easier than, say, coming in with the bases loaded and a one-run lead. I'd be really interested to know who is the leader in "tough saves", which I'd arbitrarily define as pitching at least one inning with the tying run at bat.

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  18. I'm curious about how/why Jerome Holtzman was "put off" by Roy Face's 18-1 record in 1959? Can anyone elaborate? I'm basically aware of the circumstances for Face and the '59 Pirates who won a bunch of late-inning comeback thrillers when Face was in relief. Why would Holtzman be put off by that?

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  19. What is the true definition of a "one inning save?" Is it when a reliever successfully retires three batters in the final inning and is the only pitcher to pitch in that half-inning or can a OIS also be obtained if the pitcher in question enters the game and records the final 3 outs during the final inning that other pitchers have already appeared and allowed baserunner(s)?

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  20. Rivera got the cutter after he'd washed out as a starter. That probably would have made a difference in his results. I don't think it's hard to imagine him being an excellent starting pitcher with his cutter, four-seamer, and a reasonable slider or change up that he rarely has to throw for a strike. We'll never know how well he would do going through a lineup more than once, but it's his control as much as the movement on that pitch that is so important. If he could keep that for six innings at a time, I'd imagine he'd be just as valuable as a starter, and would be getting big endorsement money from Louisville Slugger or some other bat company.

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  21. If he had been with another team, he would have been great. But we might not have known just how good he was in the playoffs.

    Buster Olney, on Mike and Mike earlier this week, talked about the trade that nearly happened, sending Rivera to Detroit in 1995 for David Wells. According to Buster, This trade was ready to go until the Yankees got one final scouting report on Rivera and noticed that his velocity was at 95 instead of the 90 that he was usually throwing, so they pulled the deal.

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  22. Off topic a bit, but I love the fact that Mariano's career WHIP is currently 1.000.

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  23. "He [Torre] managed to win every game, and he wasn't about to let the save rule or any other conventional wisdom prevent him from using the greatest closer of all time when he most desperately needed him."

    Except, of course, in Game 4 of the 2003 Serious, with the Yanks looking to go up 3 games to 1, when Torre left Rivera in the bullpen in Florida in extra innings, because the game was tied and the Yanks were on the road. Instead, Torre brought in Jeff Weaver, who hadn't pitched in days, and Yankees fans have cursed his foolishness ever since.

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  24. I would be curious to see some sort of "weighted" save totals. They wouldn't mean much, but would just be interesting.

    For every save that a pitcher, he gets 1 point per out recorded.

    So, a 1-inning save is worth 3 points. A 2-inning save is worth 6 points. A 1-1/3 inning save is worth 4 points, etc.


    I think my two biggest complaints about the save stat:

    1) Why should you get a save if the potential tying run is ON DECK? Particularly, in a situation where you enter the game with 2 outs in the 9th, a 2-run lead with nobody on base. This means getting the batter out wins the game. Why should the on-deck batter come into play?

    2) Why limit saves only to the guys who finish a game? Isn't it "saving" a game if you come in with 1 out in the 7th inning, a 1-run lead and bases loaded? Then you force a double-play grounder to end the inning. That sure seems like a save to me.

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  25. Rivera is probably the best reliever ever, but to me the man who was the archetype of a reliever was Steve Howe. Billy the Kid with a baseball.

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  26. I think the save rule should be changed so that if a pitcher gives up a run, there is no save. Simple and to the point. Having a guy come into a game with a three run lead, give up two runs, and still get credit for a save is a joke.

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  27. It would be interesting to see what would happen if baseball just stopped counting saves - the way it did with GWRBI. I wonder how quickly the conventional strategy would change.

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  28. Firstly, I don't measure a player by lifetime stats. If you appear in enough games, you'll accumulate all kinds of numbers. Secondly, you don't get an opportunity for a save if your team isn't leading in the ninth when you enter the game. The Yankees would give any closer more opportunities to save games in any given season than other teams.

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  29. You don't say, enzohernandez11. I'd have pegged you for a twenty-something Marlins' fan.

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  30. Joe, I'd love to see you do a post about going against conventional wisdom in sports. The multi-inning closer; The high school coach who does not punt and always onside kicks; doing your second serve in tennis like a first serve; and so on.

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  31. The funny thing is that in 1996 Rivera broke in as a two-inning reliever -- the 7th and 8th innings. That was one of the most brutally tough bullpens ever, especially in the playoffs: 6 innings, then Rivera, Rivera, Wetteland. It was unreal watching opponents fall apart in the 8th inning over and over again while the Yankees bullpen was untouchable.

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  32. @Sandy...so anyone who appears in enough games will rack up 300 wins or 755 HRs? I don't understand your point.

    And anyway, you're incorrect about Mariano getting more save opportunities in any given year. He does not. The Yankees win so many games by more than 3 runs that their leads in the 9th are often too big for save opportunities. So, per year, Mariano gets roughly a league average number of save opportunities.

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  33. @Dan Shea: It's a way of saying first! People started to say first on this blog too much and some found it harmless and some really stupid.

    So Joe compromised and instead of saying first you say Circle Me Bert! Which was changed to whatever the topic du jour was that post.

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  34. Look at the save rule: A pitcher can get a save if he finishes a victory, isn't the winning pitcher, and fulfills one of three requirements:

    1. He enters the game with a lead of no more than there runs and pitches at least one inning.

    All he needs is 1 out; does not need 3 outs

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  35. @Schlom: Rivera's lifetime save percentage, per baseball reference, is 89%. This includes 95 and 96, where he was credited with a few blown saves while largely in the setup role.

    FWIW, Hoffman's career save percentage is 89%. Joe Nathan's save percentage, even with the bad 2011 season in play, is 89%. And Soria, you guessed it, is at 89% for his career.

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  36. An additional point to my above numbers on save percentages...

    In the current 2011 season, the save percentage across MLB amongst pitchers with at least 20 save opportunities is 86%.

    note: the 20 save opportunities is an arbitrary, round, number I picked for no real reason.

    Interesting stuff....

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  37. They just don't make 'em like they used to. From Wiki

    June 9, 1963: At Baltimore The Monster starts the 9th inning with the score tied 2-2. He goes 6 scoreless innings striking out 10, and the Sox win in 14, 3-2. Two days later on June 11, 1963 at Detroit, Radatz enters a 3-3 game in the 7th and goes 8 2/3 scoreless innings, striking out 11. The Sox score 4 in the top of the 15th, Dick holds on and has his 2nd win in 3 days. His totals for this span: 14 2/3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 21 K.

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  38. Did some more checking on career save pct

    Gagne, 92%
    Valverde, 89%
    Papelbon, 89%
    Lidge, 84% (even with 2009)
    Wagner, 86%

    Curious how so many are right around 89%. :)

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  39. Great post, Joe. As suggested in other comments above, I've always thought Rivera's best regular season was 1996. Relivers don't need to finish the game to have the most value; nor should they be limited to one inning.
    I think you overlook one reason for this state of affairs:
    Americans, or perhaps people in general, like to avoid taking responsibility if this can be accomplished. In the old days, knowing when to use one's best reliever would require a judgement -- a judgement which can be wrong. Now, we have a "rule" instead of managers making judgements. If a manager waits until the start of the 9th to bring in his top reliever, he can't be blamed if either: (i) his other pitchers blow the game prior to the 9th; or (ii) the top reliever blows the game in the 9th.
    In American society you can never go wrong by just following the rules, even if they aren't really rules.

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